privatief

English translation: person granting power of attorney \"retains right to act\"

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Dutch term or phrase:privatief
English translation:person granting power of attorney \"retains right to act\"
Entered by: Willemina Hagenauw

14:51 Jun 26, 2017
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
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Dutch term or phrase: privatief
Een bestuurder is bevoegd zich ter vergadering te doen vertegenwoordigen door een medebestuurder. De volmacht hiertoe dient schriftelijk te zijn verleend. aan de eis van schriftelijkheid van de volmacht wordt voldaan indien de volmacht elektronisch is vastgelegd. De volmacht tot vertegenwoordiging werkt niet privatief.

I found "privative" and "private" for "privatief", but have difficulty with the use in this sentence. Can anyone enlighten me?
Willemina Hagenauw
Local time: 23:15
person granting power of attorney "retains right to act"
Explanation:
(D) Under the laws of the Netherlands, each power of attorney ( volmacht ) or mandate ( lastgeving ) whether or not irrevocable, granted by the Company, will terminate by operation of law ( van rechtswege ), without any notice, upon bankruptcy of the Company and will cease to be effective in the event of a suspension of payments. It should also be noted that the granting of a power of attorney, even when such power of attorney is made irrevocable, does not have as a consequence that the person granting the power of attorney is not authorized to act itself (werkt niet privatief).
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Terry Costin
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Summary of answers provided
4privative/privatively
Johan Venter
3person granting power of attorney "retains right to act"
Terry Costin
Summary of reference entries provided
refs
Michael Beijer
Ref
Kitty Brussaard
privatieve werking
sindy cremer

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privative/privatively


Explanation:
Privative is the correct translation for privatief, and in your specific instance you need to use 'privatively'

privative
ˈprɪvətɪv/Submit
adjective
(of an action or state) marked by the absence or loss of some quality or attribute that is normally present.
(of a statement or term) denoting the absence or loss of an attribute or quality.
"parliament may insert a privative clause to achieve this result"
GRAMMAR
(of a particle or affix) expressing absence or negation, for example the Greek a-, meaning ‘not’, in atypical.


    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/privatively
Johan Venter
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person granting power of attorney "retains right to act"


Explanation:
(D) Under the laws of the Netherlands, each power of attorney ( volmacht ) or mandate ( lastgeving ) whether or not irrevocable, granted by the Company, will terminate by operation of law ( van rechtswege ), without any notice, upon bankruptcy of the Company and will cease to be effective in the event of a suspension of payments. It should also be noted that the granting of a power of attorney, even when such power of attorney is made irrevocable, does not have as a consequence that the person granting the power of attorney is not authorized to act itself (werkt niet privatief).



    Reference: http://investor.aosmith.com/secfiling.cfm?filingid=1193125-1...
Terry Costin
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Kitty Brussaard: This is about a 'volmacht tot vertegenwoordiging' so it would be more spot-on to say that 'De volmacht tot vertegenwoordiging werkt niet privatief' means that the grantor of the proxy retains the right to act for himself. /OK, 'proxy' and 'for themselves'
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  -> It concerns getting to the correct meaning and an idea of how to put it, some words may exist but who uses a word such as 'privatively', who would understand? Himself? Students now being urged to come up with alternatives for gender-specific words.
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Reference comments


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Reference: refs

Reference information:
"A power of attorney (POA) or letter of attorney is a written authorization to represent or act on another's behalf in private affairs, business, or some other legal matter, sometimes against the wishes of the other. The person authorizing the other to act is the principal, grantor, or donor (of the power). The one authorized to act is the agent[1] or, in some common law jurisdictions, the attorney-in-fact." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_attorney )

Michael Beijer
United Kingdom
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neutral  Kitty Brussaard: Het betekent hier net iets anders. Zie mijn ref.
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Reference: Ref

Reference information:
In deze specifieke context (volmachtverlening), betekent 'geen privatieve werking' dat de volmachtgever ook zelf (i.e. naast de gevolmachtigde) bevoegd blijft om de betreffende rechtshandelingen te verrichten.

Zie bijvoorbeeld:

Een volmachtverlening heeft op zichzelf geen “privatieve werking”: de volmachtgever blijft ook zelf bevoegd de rechtshandeling te verrichten waarvoor hij volmacht gaf. De volmachtgever passeert als hij die rechtshandeling zelf verricht de gevolmachtigde.

Wil men bereiken dat een volmachtgever de rechtshandeling waarvoor hij volmacht geeft niet meer zelf kan verrichten (en dat uitsluitend de gevolmachtigde daartoe bevoegd zal zijn) dan moet in de volmacht worden opgenomen dat deze privatieve werking heeft.
http://juridischmodelvolmachtvoorbeeld.nl/de-volmacht/privat...

Kitty Brussaard
Netherlands
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Asker: Dus de volmachtgever kan niet worden uitgesloten van de rechtshandeling. Hoe vertaal je dat in het Engels. Iets van "non-exclusive"?


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  sindy cremer: om de een of andere reden kwam jouw ref bij mij niet meteen tevoorschijn (?); excuses voor de doublure.
2 days 3 hrs
  -> Dank je wel, Sindy en geen probleem. The more the merrier :-). In dit specifieke geval lijkt het om 'proxy appointment' door bestuurders te gaan, maar ik ga ervan uit dat de strekking van 'privatieve werking' in die context niet wezenlijk anders is.
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Reference: privatieve werking

Reference information:
http://www.seydlitz.nl/index.php?p=nieuws&id=57

http://juridischmodelvolmachtvoorbeeld.nl/de-volmacht/privat...

sindy cremer
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agree  Kitty Brussaard: :-)
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