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Dominant flavour of Cantonese spoken in Vancouver/British Columbia?
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Charlie Toy = 梅彩迺 Sep 26, 2010

The name of Toy has been synonymous with good Chinese food in Milwaukee since the turn of the century, when Charlie Toy arrived here and started a restaurant. In the 1920s and early 1930s, his establishment was in this ornate building on 2nd St. between Wisconsin Ave. and Wells St. After he retired, Toy returned to Canton, China, where he died, leaving the family business to his son, Moy B., who had worked at the restaurant. A new restaurant opened on 3rd and Wisconsin above Walgreen's in 1937. ... See more
The name of Toy has been synonymous with good Chinese food in Milwaukee since the turn of the century, when Charlie Toy arrived here and started a restaurant. In the 1920s and early 1930s, his establishment was in this ornate building on 2nd St. between Wisconsin Ave. and Wells St. After he retired, Toy returned to Canton, China, where he died, leaving the family business to his son, Moy B., who had worked at the restaurant. A new restaurant opened on 3rd and Wisconsin above Walgreen's in 1937. Toy's Chinese Restaurant remained there until 1968, when the business moved to its present location, not far from the 2nd St. building, at 830 N. 3rd St. Moy Toy, who continued his father's reputation as an outstanding restaurateur, died in 1980. Photograph and information from the Milwaukee Public Library local history collection.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Chinese-Milwaukee-Wisconsin/David-B-Holmes/e/9780738552248

http://astortheater.org/history15.html

Chinese Milwaukee - Google Books Result
David B. Holmes, Wenbin Yugn - 2008 - History - 128 pages
By 1923, Toy had become known internationally as the Chinese Rockefeller and ... Ginseng-related trade between China and Wisconsin continues to this day, ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0738552240...

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谢谢PK Sep 27, 2010

引用：I was born in Shanghai, educated in Taiwan and US. I am a citizen of USA, for a very long time. American movies showed Chinese people that are mostly low life coolie, butler, etc. It is true that is what they did when they first arrived in USA.

Jackie Chen, Bruce Lee, Jet Li are the Kung Fu heroes. Can you find any other positive role models of Chinese people, on US TV, movie or related media?

I stayed as a guest at my professor's house in Colorado. They had ... See more
引用：I was born in Shanghai, educated in Taiwan and US. I am a citizen of USA, for a very long time. American movies showed Chinese people that are mostly low life coolie, butler, etc. It is true that is what they did when they first arrived in USA.

Jackie Chen, Bruce Lee, Jet Li are the Kung Fu heroes. Can you find any other positive role models of Chinese people, on US TV, movie or related media?

I stayed as a guest at my professor's house in Colorado. They had a party of 20. Two young boys asked me, "Are you a butler at this house?" I was shocked, but not angry.

For 30+ years, I was the only non-Caucasian in the whole room when I attended the business meeting or international conference. I am used to this. Is this good or bad? It was very good. It worked for me.

In New York city, 10 million people, 2.5 millions are Jews. They are professors, MD, lawyers, accountants, managers, VP, CEO, etc. Jews made up 4% of US population, but 36% of CEO, hundreds of billionaires of USA. I learn most of my trade from them. Jews are the best in their fields: Steve Jobs, Michael Bloomberg, Larry Ellison, Michael Dell, etc.

Chinese offspring (CO) record is mixed. Oversea Chinese is about 50 million in the world. Many CO just followed their parents, continue to run Chinese restaurants, laundry, or other businesses. The best COs got in MIT, Princeton. Some did very well. They are generally hard working and good students.

But very few COs started their own business. Tony Hsieh of Zappos, Jerry Yang of Yahoo, Steve Chen of YouTube, are three successful examples.

Chinese Americans made up 4% of US population, just like the Jews. But the percentage of CEO, VP, managers, billionaires are very few. We need to learn from the Jews.

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对中国归属感很强的一名postdoctorate（1949年前随父母去台湾后到美国留学）,曾被人误认为男仆。对犹太人与华人的比较，挺客观。


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Thanks for the interesting link, as well as the rest of the discussion Sep 29, 2010

I enjoy following this discussion, even though I don't have much time at the moment to participate in and respond to it. So, thanks all!

And wherestip: Just a short note to say it the article does fill in a good piece of the historical aspect that I didn't know about, that it was Taishan immigrants that constituted the influx to North America back when the railroads and mines were built. I remember the railway workers were always referred to as "Cantonese".

Vikki


wherestip wrote:

Vikki,

Here's a blog post I found on the web that talks about the history of Chinese immigrants in Vancouver, written by a Chinese-descent Vancouverite. The author clearly distinguishes between a Cantonese dialect spoken by the older generation of immigrants mainly from Taishan versus another predominantly spoken by more recent immigrants from Hong Kong.

Perhaps these two flavors might be the two conflicting dialects that are at odds which you may have encountered?

The newest wave of immigrants arriving from Mainland China in all likelihood speak Mandarin, including those whom hail from Guangdong Province. The way I see it, even if the folks from Guangdong Province socialize in Cantonese, or speak Cantonese at home, the written word is still mostly in standard Mandarin. After all, Guangdong, like all other provinces, has been an integral part of the People's Republic of China for more than 60 years.

http://btr.michaelkwan.com/2009/07/31/a-brief-history-of-chinese-vancouver/







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