Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
faussement traitée
English translation:
sham-treated
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Drmanu49
Oct 12, 2021 10:03
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faussement traitée
French to English
Medical
Medical: Instruments
Dermatology
Taken from a review of articles on laser dermatology treatments.
Pour l’acné et l’alopécie androgénique on compare les résultats à une population témoin alors qu’on aimerait une comparaison avec l’autre hémiface faussement traitée ou l’hémiscalp faussement traité
Possible translations that come to mind:
- untreated
- treated incorrectly
- treated with placebo
But I cannot work out what it means and would appreciate any input. Thanks.
Pour l’acné et l’alopécie androgénique on compare les résultats à une population témoin alors qu’on aimerait une comparaison avec l’autre hémiface faussement traitée ou l’hémiscalp faussement traité
Possible translations that come to mind:
- untreated
- treated incorrectly
- treated with placebo
But I cannot work out what it means and would appreciate any input. Thanks.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +4 | treated with a placebo |
Drmanu49
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| 4 -2 | wrongly treated |
Johannes Gleim
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Change log
Oct 16, 2021 09:24: Drmanu49 changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/46411">Wendy Cummings's</a> old entry - "faussement traitée"" to ""sham-treated""
Proposed translations
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treated with a placebo
In a blind test that would be logical.
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Effects of Patients' Expectation in Dermatology: Evidence from ...
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de W Sondermann — The impact of verbal suggestion is also evident from so-called “open-label placebo” studies, in which positive expectations are typically induced by describing ...
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Effects of Patients' Expectation in Dermatology: Evidence from ...
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de W Sondermann — The impact of verbal suggestion is also evident from so-called “open-label placebo” studies, in which positive expectations are typically induced by describing ...
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: I can't disagree with this, since it is a placebo, but they haven't used that word. I think this is a better answer, and it came from you! http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-french/medical-pharmace...
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Thanks Phil but I am not sure I would use sham.
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Kim Metzger
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Thank you.
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Daryo
: the world "placebo" may not have been used, but the concept is plain to see - if you can recognise it // OTOH the ref. about "verbal suggestion used as 'open-label placebo'" is probably not much relevant for this ST.
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Thank you.
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ormiston
: Devoid of active agents?
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Thank you. That would be the case.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "You clarified the meaning, but after research I went with "sham" as being the more suitable term for a "fake" procedure."
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Johannes Gleim
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Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
wrongly treated
I don't understand why one should conduct a double-blind trial with both sides of the face. Both should be treated the same way.f
"untreated" is wrong, as he/she was treated
"treated incorrectly" About 103.000 results (0,44 seconds)
"wrongly treated" About 153.000 results (0,46 seconds)
Examples:
There was a steep decrease in his blood platelets and he was wrongly treated for Dengue for a week.
https://milaap.org/fundraisers/gowthamv
Ritter’s family sued the doctors and Providence St. Joseph Medical Center in 2004, claiming that the comic actor had died because he was wrongly treated for a heart attack instead of the torn aorta.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-31892020080212
He, who had escaped from the German Dog Breed Lists - from the permanent obligation to be on the lead and to wear a muzzle, to a foreign country in order to lead a life according to his nature - was wrongly treated by a veterinary surgeon.
aboutourdogs.de
Er, der vor den deutschen Hunderassenlisten, vor ständigem Maulkorb- und Leinenzwang ins Ausland geflüchtet ist, um ein artgerechtes Hundeleben zu führen, wurde von einem Tierarzt falsch behandelt.
aboutourdogs.de
https://www.linguee.com/english-german/translation/wrongly t...
I have been wrongly treated.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-german/w...
Medically unexplained physical symptoms, misunderstood and wrongly treated? A semiotic perspective on chronic pain
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29308958/
For acne and androgenic alopecia, the results are compared to a control population when we would like a comparison with the other wrongly treated hemiface or the wrongly treated hemiscalp
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For acne and androgenic alopecia, the results are compared to a control population when we would like a comparison with the other falsely treated hemiface or the wrongly treated hemiface
"untreated" is wrong, as he/she was treated
"treated incorrectly" About 103.000 results (0,44 seconds)
"wrongly treated" About 153.000 results (0,46 seconds)
Examples:
There was a steep decrease in his blood platelets and he was wrongly treated for Dengue for a week.
https://milaap.org/fundraisers/gowthamv
Ritter’s family sued the doctors and Providence St. Joseph Medical Center in 2004, claiming that the comic actor had died because he was wrongly treated for a heart attack instead of the torn aorta.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-31892020080212
He, who had escaped from the German Dog Breed Lists - from the permanent obligation to be on the lead and to wear a muzzle, to a foreign country in order to lead a life according to his nature - was wrongly treated by a veterinary surgeon.
aboutourdogs.de
Er, der vor den deutschen Hunderassenlisten, vor ständigem Maulkorb- und Leinenzwang ins Ausland geflüchtet ist, um ein artgerechtes Hundeleben zu führen, wurde von einem Tierarzt falsch behandelt.
aboutourdogs.de
https://www.linguee.com/english-german/translation/wrongly t...
I have been wrongly treated.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-german/w...
Medically unexplained physical symptoms, misunderstood and wrongly treated? A semiotic perspective on chronic pain
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29308958/
For acne and androgenic alopecia, the results are compared to a control population when we would like a comparison with the other wrongly treated hemiface or the wrongly treated hemiscalp
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For acne and androgenic alopecia, the results are compared to a control population when we would like a comparison with the other falsely treated hemiface or the wrongly treated hemiface
Note from asker:
| Split face tests are common in dermatology to see how the same patient reacts to different therapies, because the conditions are more equal than when testing on different people |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
philgoddard
: You can't support your answer with English and German references! This is a French question.
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Tony M
: Treating someone 'wrongly' would be no help in a comparative test; the element required here is that of 'fake' or 'false'
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Daryo
: no way - you don't test the usefulness of a treatment by knowingly inflicting a "wrong" treatment on your test subjects!!
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Discussion
With all the negative connotations of "sham" I'm surprised they didn't adopt some other more neutral term.
I have since found these interesting articles: https://jme.bmj.com/content/medethics/39/11/703.full.pdf
http://europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC10796...
It appears that whereas placebo refers to drugs, you cannot really give a placebo "procedure", so the term used is sham, although the concept is the same, and sham-controlled trials still produce a placebo effect.
That would make most sense - what better "control" you would want than an untreated other half of the face or the scalp of the same person?