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las variables entresujetos / intrasujetos

English translation: between-subject / within-subject variables

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Spanish term or phrase:las variables entresujetos / intrasujetos
English translation:between-subject / within-subject variables
Entered by: Lucy Breen

12:37 Feb 17, 2017
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Science - Biology (-tech,-chem,micro-) / Results of experiment
Spanish term or phrase: las variables entresujetos / intrasujetos
This is a report on the findings of an experiment in which groups of rats were / were not subject to food deprivation.

"Las variables tenidas en cuenta en este experimento fueron por tanto el estado de privacion de alimento (si o no) y la concentracion de azucar como **variables entresujetos. Como variables intrasujetos, ** se consideraron el entrenamiento......"

My initial thought was:
"variables entresujetos" = intersubject variables and "variables intrasujetos" = intrasubject variables
However, I have also seen the term "variables entresujetos" translated as within-subject variables.

Could any of scientists amongst us help to clarify these terms?

Target is British English.

Many thanks
Lucy Breen
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:33
between-subject / within-subject variables
Explanation:
This is perhaps a bit presumptuous of me, since it is not really my field, but in this case the online evidence is overwhelming: there are few search results for "intrasubject variables" and "intersubject variables" and many for "between-subject variables" and "within-subject variables". The latter are clearly the usual ANOVA (analysis of variance) statistical terms. I don't see any point in quoting lots of examples; the information is easy to find. See here, for example:
http://onlinestatbook.com/2/chapter0/analysis_lab_anova.html


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To be fair to biologists, it's not really their fault in this case; this is statistics rather than biology as such.

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I can't see that the jury's out, Lucy. When almost every professional who deals with this matter uses one pair of terms rather than another, I think the conclusion is clear. As always with online sources, it's not just how many, it's where they come from.

I think Phil's comment is beside the point. It's not a question of whether the alternative is "wrong"; it's a question of what do people in the field usually say. Only people who don't care whether informed readers are going to think "that sounds a bit odd!" are going to say it makes no difference.
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Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 07:33
Grading comment
Thanks Charles
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2between-subject / within-subject variables
Charles Davis
3 +2inter- and intra-subject variables
Neil Ashby


Discussion entries: 1





  

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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
inter- and intra-subject variables


Explanation:
Comparison of the Intersubject and Intrasubject Variability of ...
https://www.audiology.org/sites/default/files/journal/JAAA_0...
by SD Dalebout - ‎1997 - ‎Cited by 6 - ‎Related articles
Key Words: Auditory evoked potentials, intersubject variability, intrasubject variability, P300. Abbreviations: ABR ... ulated variables of interest (e.g., stimulus. 342 ...

Vision and Action: The Control of Grasping
https://books.google.es/books?isbn=0893915548
Melvyn A. Goodale - 1990 - ‎Psychology
Intrasubject variable error varied across targets. It was larger for smaller targets ... The same was true for intersubject variability. Discussion. These results raise ...

It is usually parsed as "intra/inter-subject variability" but you would have to rework you sentence.

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Having said that "within-subject" and "between-subject variable" appears to be more common. I recommend you wait for confirmation/further info from our esteemed colleagues.

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Biologists! Why do they always like to use non-scientific/illogical terms for things! ;@)

Neil Ashby
Spain
Local time: 07:33
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Neil


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: Just because something doesn't get many Google hits doesn't mean it's wrong.
1 hr
  -> Cheers Phil. No, not wrong, just maybe less used.
agree  Leda Roche
1 day 8 hrs
  -> Thanks Denise.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
between-subject / within-subject variables


Explanation:
This is perhaps a bit presumptuous of me, since it is not really my field, but in this case the online evidence is overwhelming: there are few search results for "intrasubject variables" and "intersubject variables" and many for "between-subject variables" and "within-subject variables". The latter are clearly the usual ANOVA (analysis of variance) statistical terms. I don't see any point in quoting lots of examples; the information is easy to find. See here, for example:
http://onlinestatbook.com/2/chapter0/analysis_lab_anova.html


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Note added at 1 hr (2017-02-17 14:07:40 GMT)
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To be fair to biologists, it's not really their fault in this case; this is statistics rather than biology as such.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2017-02-17 15:04:39 GMT)
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I can't see that the jury's out, Lucy. When almost every professional who deals with this matter uses one pair of terms rather than another, I think the conclusion is clear. As always with online sources, it's not just how many, it's where they come from.

I think Phil's comment is beside the point. It's not a question of whether the alternative is "wrong"; it's a question of what do people in the field usually say. Only people who don't care whether informed readers are going to think "that sounds a bit odd!" are going to say it makes no difference.

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 07:33
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 32
Grading comment
Thanks Charles
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Charles. Yes, there are plenty of examples to be found online, but clearly the Jury's still out on this one!

Asker: Hi Charles, I am not dismissing your (very helpful) comments but rather was hoping for the opinion of a scientist - if not forthcoming I will follow your advice. Thanks.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Muriel Vasconcellos
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, Muriel :)
agree  lorenab23: :-)
11 hrs
  -> Thanks, Lorena. Un abrazo :-)
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