Sueldos fictos patronales

English translation: notional wages for employer contributions

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Spanish term or phrase:Sueldos fictos patronales
English translation:notional wages for employer contributions
Entered by: patinba

22:45 Nov 21, 2020
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Taxation & Customs / Power of Attorney
Spanish term or phrase: Sueldos fictos patronales
Buenas!
Estoy intentando traducir un poder especial de español a inglés, pero no logro encontrar un término en inglés para «sueldos fictos patronales». Aparece dentro de una cláusula que menciona las facultades que los poderdantes pretenden darle al apoderado.

«El apoderado podrá desempeñar los siguientes cometidos: a) Registrar e inscribir empresas; b) Otorgar y suscribir todo tipo de declaraciones juradas; c) Fijar sueldos fictos patronales»
Emiliano S. Grill
Uruguay
Local time: 07:50
notional wages for employer contributions
Explanation:
La solución se encuentra en la cita de François. Es el "salario de aportación" o sea el salario en base al cual el empleador debe calcular los aportes patronales, que no es lo mismo que el salario real (ergo "ficto")

Notional:
existing as or based on a suggestion, estimate, or theory; not existing in reality.
"notional budgets for hospital and community health services"
Similar:
hypothetical
theoretical

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A related use of "notional salary" as the salary used for a calculation, not the actual salary.

Notional salary. A notional or reference salary is the employee's salary before salary sacrifice. A notional salary can be used, for example, to determine pay increases, overtime rates, sick pay, etc. You should make it clear to your employees which salary will be used when calculating benefits.

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patinba
Argentina
Local time: 07:50
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Muchas gracias! Creo que "notional" va muy bien, dado el documento.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1notional wages for employer contributions
patinba
3provisional employer salaries
Lisa Rosengard
4 -2The salaries standing for the contributions of farmers
Francois Boye
Summary of reference entries provided
Refs.
Taña Dalglish

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
The salaries standing for the contributions of farmers


Explanation:
(Sueldo ficto patronal). ... c) A partir del 1° de enero de 1966 el sueldo ficto patronal mensual de aportación de los empresarios de tareas rurales será equivalente al sueldo mínimo de jubilación fijado por la ley, salvo que el sueldo de aportación por el año 1965 fuere superior, en cuyo caso aportará sobre este último.

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 06:50
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 44

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  AllegroTrans: You have a remarkably furtive imagination; "farmers" is nowhere in the asker's text
1 day 14 hrs

disagree  Germaine: With AT. Le fait de trouver une expression quelque part ne modifie en rien le contexte propre à la question.
1 day 14 hrs
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notional wages for employer contributions


Explanation:
La solución se encuentra en la cita de François. Es el "salario de aportación" o sea el salario en base al cual el empleador debe calcular los aportes patronales, que no es lo mismo que el salario real (ergo "ficto")

Notional:
existing as or based on a suggestion, estimate, or theory; not existing in reality.
"notional budgets for hospital and community health services"
Similar:
hypothetical
theoretical

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Note added at 16 hrs (2020-11-22 15:17:21 GMT)
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A related use of "notional salary" as the salary used for a calculation, not the actual salary.

Notional salary. A notional or reference salary is the employee's salary before salary sacrifice. A notional salary can be used, for example, to determine pay increases, overtime rates, sick pay, etc. You should make it clear to your employees which salary will be used when calculating benefits.

Your guide to salary sacrifice - Aegonwww.aegon.co.uk › content › dam › ukpaw › documentsP

patinba
Argentina
Local time: 07:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 251
Grading comment
Muchas gracias! Creo que "notional" va muy bien, dado el documento.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Francois Boye: notional wage means an equilibrium wage in economic theory//notional does not have any other precise meaning.
50 mins
  -> Yes, but that is not the context here.

agree  AllegroTrans
1 day 35 mins
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provisional employer salaries


Explanation:
A direct equivalent could be 'fictitious' employer salaries. Instead of 'fictitious' which is not genuine, provisional salaries which would be temporary or conditional is a better suggestion.

"The person in charge will be able to carry out the following tasks: the registration and enrollment of business companies, to allocate or grant each type of legal statement, set up provisional or temporary employer salaries."

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It described employer salaries as not yet definite. Employer salaries in that case could be speculative, notional or provisional until the rate of pay becomes secured.

(Se describieron salarios no definidos de empleadores. En ese caso los salarios de empleadores pueden ser especulativos, nocionales o provisionales hasta que se aseguran fijamente.
Lo que es ficto no es real.)

Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:50
Native speaker of: English
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Reference comments


13 hrs
Reference: Refs.

Reference information:
There is nothing in the text to suggest that "patronales" is solely farmers.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/spanish-english...
patronal
ADJECTIVE
1. (Business) employers’ (before noun)
sindicato patronal employers’ association
cierre patronal (management) lockout
organización patronal employers’ organization
la clase patronal management ⧫ the managerial class
cerrado por acto patronal closed by the owners or management

FEMININE NOUN
employers’ organization
(= dirección) management
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https://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=pat...
Principal Translations
Spanish English
patronal nf (colectividad empresarial) (employers) management n

La patronal no cerró ningún acuerdo con los sindicatos para la reforma laboral.
Management did not make any deals with the unions regarding workplace reforms.

Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 82
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