Apr 6, 2007 07:30
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Hungarian term
German>English, Hungarian>English
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, Hungarian to English, English to Hungarian
közteherviselés
Hungarian to English
Bus/Financial
Economics
A közteherviselésben megjelenő adó, adószerű elvonások mérésének mutatója a GDP arányos közteherviselés, amely 2006-ban 36,5 százalék körül mozgott, a 2007-es tervszám pedig 38,1 százalék (Konvergencia-program).
The seemingly accepted translation for this in the convergence programme is "burden sharing". But it then becomes difficult with a phrase like "GDP arányos közteherviselés", where it doesn't fit. The only figure I can find in the convergence report that comes close to the 38.1% above is tax and contribution revenues. To me it seems that there is no one translation that fits in English.
Any input appreciated.
The seemingly accepted translation for this in the convergence programme is "burden sharing". But it then becomes difficult with a phrase like "GDP arányos közteherviselés", where it doesn't fit. The only figure I can find in the convergence report that comes close to the 38.1% above is tax and contribution revenues. To me it seems that there is no one translation that fits in English.
Any input appreciated.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | comment - see below |
Katalin Sandor
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| 4 +1 | public contribution |
Csaba Burillak
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| 5 | [GDP-proportional] share of public burden |
JANOS SAMU
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| 3 | liability for common charges |
Eva Blanar
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Proposed translations
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comment - see below
A quick search in my TMs has shown that the MoF tends to use different phrases for this term for its translated CPs and Flash Reports, depending on the context (and on who knows what else). E.g.:
"...az igazságos közteherviselés elvének jobb érvényesítését..." - "the principle of just tax burden distribution"
"...közteherviselés kirívó aránytalanságait..." - "present disproportionalities of burden sharing"
"a közteherviselés alóli kibújás" - "tax avoidance"
"...a közteherviselés olyan átfogó és rendszerszerű átalakítását..." - comprehensive and systematic reform of public dues "
"igazságosabb közteherviselés" - "more equitable burden sharing"
"to enforce the principle of equitable taxation"
"Közteherviselés – közterhek beszedése" - "Burden sharing – collection of taxes and contributions"
"egyszerűsített közteherviselési hozzájárulásról szóló új törvény" - "new Act on the simplified entrepreneurial tax and contribution regime (EKHO) "
(Some of the texts are no longer available on the MoF homepage, as they seem to remove the old versions).
It is more or less clear from these,that közteherviselés is a fancy word for all payments we make to the Government - be it taxes, contributions, dues, duties, charges, whatever. So, if it is not the general principle that we are talking about (where burden sharing may be appropriate) but figures or ratios, you may want to go for a more specific term, such as taxation, taxes and contributions, charges (as Éva recommended). In other words, what they mean is simply 'taxation' (in the broadest sense), but they do not want to restrict the meaning to the dues called "taxes".
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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-04-06 11:46:08 GMT)
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Sorry, I made a mistake in the cut-and-paste workflow, omitting the Hungarian original for one of the pairs. Not that is matters, but still:
"a méltányos közteherviselés elvének érvényesítése" - "to enforce the principle of equitable taxation".
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Note added at 10 hrs (2007-04-06 18:13:51 GMT)
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P.S.: Mióta nem fogadja el a rendszer a 'not for grading'-et a válasz mezőben? Micsoda fejlődés van itten! :-) de mi kicselezzük ám!
"...az igazságos közteherviselés elvének jobb érvényesítését..." - "the principle of just tax burden distribution"
"...közteherviselés kirívó aránytalanságait..." - "present disproportionalities of burden sharing"
"a közteherviselés alóli kibújás" - "tax avoidance"
"...a közteherviselés olyan átfogó és rendszerszerű átalakítását..." - comprehensive and systematic reform of public dues "
"igazságosabb közteherviselés" - "more equitable burden sharing"
"to enforce the principle of equitable taxation"
"Közteherviselés – közterhek beszedése" - "Burden sharing – collection of taxes and contributions"
"egyszerűsített közteherviselési hozzájárulásról szóló új törvény" - "new Act on the simplified entrepreneurial tax and contribution regime (EKHO) "
(Some of the texts are no longer available on the MoF homepage, as they seem to remove the old versions).
It is more or less clear from these,that közteherviselés is a fancy word for all payments we make to the Government - be it taxes, contributions, dues, duties, charges, whatever. So, if it is not the general principle that we are talking about (where burden sharing may be appropriate) but figures or ratios, you may want to go for a more specific term, such as taxation, taxes and contributions, charges (as Éva recommended). In other words, what they mean is simply 'taxation' (in the broadest sense), but they do not want to restrict the meaning to the dues called "taxes".
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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-04-06 11:46:08 GMT)
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Sorry, I made a mistake in the cut-and-paste workflow, omitting the Hungarian original for one of the pairs. Not that is matters, but still:
"a méltányos közteherviselés elvének érvényesítése" - "to enforce the principle of equitable taxation".
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Note added at 10 hrs (2007-04-06 18:13:51 GMT)
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P.S.: Mióta nem fogadja el a rendszer a 'not for grading'-et a válasz mezőben? Micsoda fejlődés van itten! :-) de mi kicselezzük ám!
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "For pure informative value the points go to you! As I suspected this word can be translated in many ways, context is king.
Thanks"
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11 mins
Csaba Burillak
Native in Hungarian
Specializes in field
Native in: Hungarian 
Works in: English to Hungarian, German to Hungarian, Hungarian to English, and 3 more.
public contribution
Néhány link:
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:qRiH2KexdP4J:www.ceinet.o...
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/01/18/romanow_public0201...
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:qRiH2KexdP4J:www.ceinet.o...
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/01/18/romanow_public0201...
24 mins
JANOS SAMU
United States
United States
United States
We know the language and the system too.
Works in: English to zzz Other zzz, English to Lao, English to Lithuanian, and 91 more.
[GDP-proportional] share of public burden
The important part of it is the share. We know that we are talking about the taxes, but taxes are the way of carrying the public burden
39 mins
Eva Blanar
Hungary
Hungary
Native in Hungarian
Specializes in field
Hungary
Nil satis nisi optimum
Native in: Hungarian
Works in: English to Hungarian, French to Hungarian, German to Hungarian, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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68
liability for common charges
and I'd go for "common charges in terms of GDP"
BTW, I am against word-for-word translations:
"egyenlő közteherviselés elve" = principle of equality of fiscal treatment (tax + contributions)
"közterhek" = common charges
Also, I think burden-sharing is more "tehermegosztás" "terhek megosztása" - the burden is given, the breakdown is to be negotiated.
BTW, I am against word-for-word translations:
"egyenlő közteherviselés elve" = principle of equality of fiscal treatment (tax + contributions)
"közterhek" = common charges
Also, I think burden-sharing is more "tehermegosztás" "terhek megosztása" - the burden is given, the breakdown is to be negotiated.
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