Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

vagos

English translation:

idler

Jan 4, 2010 15:30
14 yrs ago
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Spanish term

vagos

Spanish to English Social Sciences Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
"vago" o "vagos" como sustantivo referido a la no voluntad de trabajar. No se refiere a linyera.
"vago" lazy but as a noun, describing a social category of people who are not really willing to work, they say they are unemployed but they do not try hard.
Change log

Jan 8, 2010 08:10: Margarita Ezquerra (Smart Translators, S.L.) Created KOG entry

Discussion

David Ronder Jan 4, 2010:
Idler This word has a distinct literary cachet in British English and I'd be wary of using it in this context. There's a magazine called "The Idler" and a distinguished idling tradition going back to Samuel Johnson. See http://idler.co.uk/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Idler (I wanted to post a reference but can't work out how to do it now - sorry if I'm being obtuse.)



Muriel Vasconcellos Jan 4, 2010:
welfare cheats If you want to imply that they are actually collecting money, then there's a whole other range of options. 'Welfare cheat' is common (30,800 hits). You might be able to work this expression into your text at a later point.
SoniaG (asker) Jan 4, 2010:
I'm considering all the options the participants are kindly offering. Actually ,although this is term will be used in an academic article, I suppose it is informal because it is expressed from the point of view of the society who see this group who collect money from the Sate or receive social plans as "vagos" who do not really want to work.
David Ronder Jan 4, 2010:
US or UK English? That also makes a difference. I can think of couple of choice British expressions, but they may not mean much to a US audience.
HugoSteckel Jan 4, 2010:
I agree that it depends on register and context. For instance, if the emphasis is on people who claim to be unemployed, then there are a number of additional options like benefit "fraudster".
Jeff Werstein Jan 4, 2010:
Are you lookinhg for a formal or informal term?

Proposed translations

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idler / lazybones

vago, holgazán = idler, lazybones

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vago en el diccionario Español-Inglésb sm/f. 1 (=holgazán) idler, lazybones * ... Puede completar la traducción de vago propuesta por el diccionario Collins Espanol - Ingles consultando otros ...
diccionario.reverso.net/espanol-ingles/vago - Similares
perezoso en el diccionario Español-Inglésperezoso, a. a adj lazy. b sm/f (=vago) idler, lazybones *. c sm ... de perezoso propuesta por el diccionario Collins Espanol - Ingles consultando otros ...
diccionario.reverso.net/espanol-ingles/perezoso - Similares
Traduction vago dans le Dictionnaire Collins Espagnol-Anglais - [ Traducir esta página ]b sm/f. 1 (=holgazán) idler, lazybones * ... Lexilogos, Oxford, Cambridge, Chambers Harrap , Wordreference, Collins, Merriam-Webster . ...
dictionnaire.reverso.net/espagnol-anglais/vago - Francia
Note from asker:
Thanks,I think idler is right . I found it in a sociology paper by Clément http://www.cairn.info/article.php?ID_REVUE=CEP&ID_NUMPUBLIE=CEP_049&ID_ARTICLE=CEP_049_0065
Peer comment(s):

agree Rosina Peixoto : Feliz año.
1 hr
Gracias Rosina. ¡Feliz año!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to all those who participated. I found other sources (sociological/legal that refer to "the idle poor" or "idlers") The other terms provided by the rest can also be useful in other context. Thaks"
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shirkers/ truants

shirk (s̸hʉrk)

transitive verb

to neglect or evade doing (something that should be done)
Etymology: ? akin to Ger schurke, scoundrel, rascal
intransitive verb

to neglect or evade work, duty, etc.
Related Forms:

•shirker shirk′er noun

truant [ˈtruːənt]
n
(Social Science / Education) a person who is absent without leave, esp from school
adj
being or relating to a truant
vb
(Social Science / Education) (intr) to play truant
[from Old French: vagabond, probably of Celtic origin; compare Welsh truan miserable, Old Irish trōg wretched]
truancy n
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12 mins

layabouts / loafers

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Peer comment(s):

agree Christine Walsh : This is the one I'd use too.
2 hrs
Thanks, Chris!
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+1
16 mins

slackers

''The article is entitled 'No slackers here: SLA's youngest members have the vision and enthusiasm to shape the profession''


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The term slacker is commonly used to refer to a person who avoids work (especially British English), or (primarily in North American English) an educated person who is viewed as an underachiever.[1][2]
Peer comment(s):

agree Lauren DeAre : In the US this is well-understood as a group of people not meeting potential
2 hrs
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25 mins

work-shy

This term of disapproval is not too insulting

Work-shy , workshy
If you describe someone as work-shy, you disapprove of them because you think they are lazy and do not want to work.
Peer comment(s):

agree Evans (X) : I think this is an apposite term. Usually "workshy" in Br English, not hyphenated.
12 mins
Yes. Thanks!
agree Noni Gilbert Riley : Definitely my choice. Will ("actively"!) avoid employment wherever possible, so not just somehow who is slow when they are working.
42 mins
Thank-you!
agree Jennifer Levey : Best of the bunch...
1 hr
Thanks!
agree liz askew
1 hr
Thank-you!
agree Muriel Vasconcellos : I wasn't familiar with the term, but I love it!
6 hrs
Shows you work hard! Thanks!
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47 mins

bums

Puede ser que encaje mejor en el contexto.
Peer comment(s):

agree Victoria Frazier : Me gusta tu sugerencia porque eso es lo que son, lacras de la sociedad.
9 mins
Muchas gracias Victoria.
agree Tracy Mackay
1 hr
Muchas gracias Tracy.
agree Richard Boulter : I like this best in the context, for a U.S. readership. Also: hobos, tramps, panhandlers. Each is actually a specialty for getting their needs without working, but all are used in slang for 'vagos' as I heard this used in Mexico.
1 day 9 hrs
Muchas gracias Richard.
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1 hr

deadbeats

This is a rather informal term and somewhat offensive. A common phrase which uses this term is "deadbeat dad" which refers to a father who doesn't provide for or partake in his children's lives.
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1 hr

indolent/hanger-on

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1 hr

scroungers

Classic British English term.

'Skiver' is another in this vein, though it does not necessarily imply dishonestly claiming benfits as 'scrounger' does.

No shortage of hits - the first a discursive academic article:

Radstats: 'Our budget under attack': estimating social security fraudby P Spicker - Related articles Field, F. (1979), 'The myth of the social security scrounger', New Statesman, 16-11-79. Golding, P. & Middleton, S. (1978), 'Why is the Press so obsessed ...
www.radstats.org.uk/no070/article2.htm - Cached - Similar

FREE MARKET FAIRY TALES: Lawyers & social security scroungersLawyers & social security scroungers. Of course, we were all uplifted to the Nu Labour take a complete & utter drubbing in the Crewe by-election if for no ...
www.fmft.net/archives/003101.html - Cached

Lets emigrate to Australia and get away from all social security ...Lets emigrate to Australia and get away from all social security scroungers is on FacebookSign up for Facebook to connect with Lets emigrate to Australia ...
www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67403518014 - Cached

Flexible New Deal: a scrounger witch hunt! « Flexible New Deal ...8 Nov 2009 ... This doesn't apply to scroungers – but it will be an attack on genuine claimants – namely ... kellie on Social Security and Child Supp… ...
flexible-new-deal.co.uk/.../flexible-new-deal-a-scrounger-witch-hunt/ - Cached

Lilley's attack on foreign scroungers thwarted - Home News, UK ...PLANS by Peter Lilley, Secretary of State for Social Security, to crack down on foreign 'benefit scroungers' have been attacked by the Government's own ...
www.independent.co.uk/.../lilleys-attack-on-foreign-scroung... - Cached




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Here's the live link for the fourth reference above:

http://flexible-new-deal.co.uk/2009/11/08/flexible-new-deal-...
Note from asker:
This term sounds even harder than idler because these people are not only seen as lazy but also as harming someone else. I think I could use it some other time. Thank you!
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unemployables

refers to a certain percentage of people who have lost their desire to work through being unemployed long term or for other reasons

unemployable [ˌʌnɪmˈplɔɪəbəl]
adj
(Business / Industrial Relations & HR Terms) unable or unfit to keep a job

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unemployables

- it can also be used as a noun in the plural: please see same page

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I think you need a term that refers specifically to jobs, working life etc....

When "unemployable" is in the plural, it has the connotation of people who simply don't want to work, as in the title of this article below. Another synonym meaning the same thing is "malingerer", also used in the article. "Malingerer" is defined as follows:

Malinger (verb): to pretend or exaggerate incapacity or illness (as to avoid duty or work)
— ma·lin·ger·er \-gər-ər\ noun

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/malingerer

Poverty: The ***Unemployables***

The popular image of the typical dole recipient as a hale male ***malingerer*** is more than 99% myth by Government arithmetic.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,843652,00.h...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Jennifer Levey : This is often used to include people who are unfit for work for medical or similar reasons even if they are in fact willing to work, not just those covered by the 'vago' concept.
57 mins
Thanks for the comment! When "unemployable" is in the plural, it has the connotation of people who simply don't want to work... I'll add a reference.
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11 hrs

Loiters

Just another option.
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4 mins

the idle

Another option

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as in Chaplin's "the idle class" and Joan Fuster's "dictionary for the idle" - a class seen as a threat.

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Thanks, Sonia. I agree with my colleagues that register is key. "the idle" is a relatively standard academic term, I saw it used a lot when looking at cities and urbanization in the 19th and 20th Century. If you're looking for a relatively neutral and formal term, my opinion is that it's ideal. However, if you are looking for something more current, or are quoting somebody, then "slacker", "layabout" or "welfare cheat" are more apposite.
Note from asker:
Thanks to you too, I think idler could be the most suitable I found it in a sociology article refering to poverty http://www.cairn.info/article.php?ID_REVUE=CEP&ID_NUMPUBLIE=CEP_049&ID_ARTICLE=CEP_049_0065
Peer comment(s):

agree JuliaKer
8 mins
thank you, julia
agree Fernando Tognis
32 mins
gracias, fernando
neutral Jim Tucker (X) : not the same as "idler"; "the idle class" generally refers to the rich, or to the capitalist class in Marxist lingo. Chaplin is making a word-play by having his character play both a rich man and a poor.//"The idle" and "the i. class" are not equivalent.
16 hrs
I don't agree, I'm afraid. "idler" and the "idle class" are not the same, which is why I am not proposing "idler". "the idle" in Fuster's usage, is regularly used in academic literature to refer to a socially inactive class considered menacing
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