Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Feb 15, 2010 18:12
14 yrs ago
français term
Royaume-Uni
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Native in: anglais 
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mat
français vers anglais
Autre
Vins / œnologie / viticulture
appearance/clarity of wine
LIMPIDITE : absence de trouble dans un vin
- ******mat******, flou, voilé, brillant, transparent, cristallin.
- visqueux, huileux, trouble, épais, dense, fluide.
__________
I'm only looking for this one term, in relation to the clarity of the wine. Somehow "matt" doesn't work for me (nor does it google, afaik), and I can find no convincing answers in my usual sources.
I include the other terms simply in order to make the distinction between "mat" and any of the others, the next 2 of which I'm translating as "hazy" and "veiled"...
1 of the terms in the 2nd line is to be the subject of another question...
I'd be very grateful for any suggestions for "mat", especially if accompanied by supporting evidence. Many thanks!
- ******mat******, flou, voilé, brillant, transparent, cristallin.
- visqueux, huileux, trouble, épais, dense, fluide.
__________
I'm only looking for this one term, in relation to the clarity of the wine. Somehow "matt" doesn't work for me (nor does it google, afaik), and I can find no convincing answers in my usual sources.
I include the other terms simply in order to make the distinction between "mat" and any of the others, the next 2 of which I'm translating as "hazy" and "veiled"...
1 of the terms in the 2nd line is to be the subject of another question...
I'd be very grateful for any suggestions for "mat", especially if accompanied by supporting evidence. Many thanks!
Proposed translations
(anglais)
| 4 +4 | Dull |
Julie N L England (X)
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| 3 | lacklustre |
Evans (X)
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Change log
Feb 17, 2010 11:52: Carol Gullidge Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
+4
2 heures
Selected
Dull
I found a couple of links that could help you. A glossary uses Dull as a most common term, it refers to older wine that lack lustre often due to a bacterial contamination.
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Note added at 1 day19 hrs (2010-02-17 13:56:39 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad I could help. Thanks
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Note added at 1 day19 hrs (2010-02-17 13:56:39 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad I could help. Thanks
Reference:
Note from asker:
| many thanks Julie! I wasn't convinced by "dull" at first, but am beginning to be persuaded. The links are most helpful, even if they don't actually give a translation. It always helps to have a decent definition from which to start! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Travelin Ann
: mat = dull is also in the glossary link we discussed on your "fluide" question
20 minutes
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| agree |
Euqinimod (X)
: Also mentioned in the links given in my answer to this "fluide" question.
55 minutes
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| agree |
Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
12 heures
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| agree |
mimi 254
15 heures
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "many thanks to both Julie and Gilla! In the end, I went for this, especially as I eventually found "dull" in Hugh Johnson, applied specifically to the clarity of wine: "cloudy, bitty, dull, clear, briliant". Thanks also to everyone for the terrific links!"
15 heures
lacklustre
Just another suggestion. I know it is a more generalising term for a wine that doesn't grab the attention, but I think you could use it specifically for appearance, in its more literal sense.
Note from asker:
| many thanks Gilla! I was contemplating this as a definite possibility, but went for what I hope is more specific to the clarity of the wine |
Discussion
Brilliance ( age / still good?)
Brilliant: youthful
Matt brilliance: mature
Dull brilliance: on the decline
louche = dull for aspect/appearance.
Unfortunately, that glossary does not include "mat" so no comparative assistance.
Did you see? http://en.mimi.hu/wine/dull.html
forgot to mention that I already tried "dull", and wasn't at all convinced, nor were there any g-hits that seemed relevant - although this was confused by all the other meanings of "dull", and also by some bloke having that name (Dull's wines, or something kept cropping up!)...
However, if LexiVin has this (or any other authority), I'm prepared to change my mind!
Qui n'a pas de transparence, n'est pas lumineux
From Petit Larousse 2010