Jul 26, 2010 16:39
13 yrs ago
German term
a: bedeutet lang aussprechen
German to English
Art/Literary
Linguistics
Ich uebersetze "Hinweise zur Uebersetzung der Lautschrift" fuer eine multi-sprachige Brochure.
Tschechisch
"a: bedeutet lang aussprechen."
How would you render it in English ?
Tschechisch
"a: bedeutet lang aussprechen."
How would you render it in English ?
Proposed translations
(English)
References
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Kim Metzger
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Proposed translations
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16 mins
Dirk Heidersbach
Germany
Germany
Native in German
Germany
State Certified Translator for Thai
Native in: German 
Works in: Thai to German, German to Thai
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4
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a: means that the vowel is pronounced long; or: a: means it is pronounced as a long vowel sound
Ich habe es schon oft verwendet und so gelesen, beide Beispiele sollten richtig sein.
Peer comment(s):
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Jim Tucker (X)
1 hr
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British Diana
3 hrs
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Nicole Backhaus
5 hrs
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Lancashireman
: ... or 'lengthened vowel sound'
5 hrs
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| agree |
Marc Christian
6 hrs
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Michael Wetzel
: See Jim's comments below. Intended reader of the English translation = English speaker? If so, "long" is not helpful. Long/short is clear in German ("Bahn"/"Bann"), but not in English, where vowels make many different sounds and examples are necessary.
14 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Dirk"
-1
3 hrs
ä as in 'bother', cot.
See the discussion above. This answer is for a US AUDIENCE!
For this audience, I would not refer to the vowel as long (I would reserve that for words like 'day' and 'fade'.
I cannot help you with British pronunciation and have no experience with Czech (my answer is based solely on the description of the sound in the discussion).
For this audience, I would not refer to the vowel as long (I would reserve that for words like 'day' and 'fade'.
I cannot help you with British pronunciation and have no experience with Czech (my answer is based solely on the description of the sound in the discussion).
Example sentence:
"\ä\ as in bother, cot (IPA [Alpha]). (Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary XI, 2008)
Peer comment(s):
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Jim Tucker (X)
: The answer is for a US audience -- but not the German text, which understands "long" as quantitative.
8 mins
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Lancashireman
: Asker: How would you render it in English? Your proposal: 'o' as in 'barther' or 'cart'.
2 hrs
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My answer = Webster's (enUS). "Bother" is not pronounced "barther" in stanard US. It sounds like the vowel in "Bahn". Webster's symbol is "ä" and not "a:". See Kim's answer for received pronunciation, where the description as "long" is also correct.
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-1
5 mins
jccantrell
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Was nicht ist, kann noch werden.
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
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3
a: use a long a, as in day, fade, date
That is how it is given in the pronunciation guide in the back of my dictionary.
Or, you could use the pronunciation symbol (which I cannot figure out how to reproduce here). It is the letter a with a straight bar over it, like a tilde in Spanish, only straight.
So much for the USA.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2010-07-26 20:42:54 GMT)
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OK, maybe I put the wrong slant on this. Asker asked how I would render it in English and I gave him an example of how it was done in the dictionaries here. Not speaking Czech, maybe I should have used the pronunciation for "th" or "z" but the example stands nevertheless.
Or, you could use the pronunciation symbol (which I cannot figure out how to reproduce here). It is the letter a with a straight bar over it, like a tilde in Spanish, only straight.
So much for the USA.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2010-07-26 20:42:54 GMT)
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OK, maybe I put the wrong slant on this. Asker asked how I would render it in English and I gave him an example of how it was done in the dictionaries here. Not speaking Czech, maybe I should have used the pronunciation for "th" or "z" but the example stands nevertheless.
Peer comment(s):
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Kim Metzger
: But is /a:/ a long vowel as in /day/ or as in /father/?
14 mins
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| neutral |
Jim Tucker (X)
: Probably ref. to quantity rather than quality of the vowel. Your definition of long a applies to the English tradition, but not the German one of the intended readership.
1 hr
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| neutral |
Rebecca Garber
: English understanding of long and short vowel sounds doesn't match a lot of other languages.
1 hr
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| disagree |
Michael Wetzel
: "day" and "Bahn" are two different sounds (it sounds like a long German "a" and not a long English one)
2 hrs
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| neutral |
philgoddard
: "The sound in "day" is a diphthong, not a vowel.
9 hrs
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Reference comments
18 mins
Kim Metzger
Mexico
Mexico
Native in English
Works in field
Mexico
Committed to Quality and Service
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
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123
Reference:
Info
/a:/ is pronounced as a long vowel as in /father/
In addition, the vowels of Received Pronunciation are commonly divided into short and long, as obvious from their transcription. The short vowels are /ɪ/ (as in kit), /ʊ/ (as in foot), /ɛ/ (as in dress), /ʌ/ (as in strut), /æ/ (as in trap), /ɒ/ (as in lot), and /ə/ (as in the first syllable of ago and in the second of sofa). The long vowels are /iː/ (as in fleece), /uː/ (as in goose), /ɜː/ (as in nurse), /ɔː/ as in north and thought, and /ɑː/ (as in father and start). While a different degree of length is indeed present, there are also differences in the quality (lax vs tense) of these vowels, and the currently prevalent view tends to emphasise the latter rather than the former.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_length#Long_vowels_in_Eng...
In romanised Korean, the 'a' should be pronounced as a long vowel, as in father eg Chang should be pronounced as 'Chahng'
http://www.mccp.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/7...
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Note added at 37 mins (2010-07-26 17:16:17 GMT)
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long a: ape, lake, etc.
http://www.mrsmcgowan.com/reading/ref.htm
In addition, the vowels of Received Pronunciation are commonly divided into short and long, as obvious from their transcription. The short vowels are /ɪ/ (as in kit), /ʊ/ (as in foot), /ɛ/ (as in dress), /ʌ/ (as in strut), /æ/ (as in trap), /ɒ/ (as in lot), and /ə/ (as in the first syllable of ago and in the second of sofa). The long vowels are /iː/ (as in fleece), /uː/ (as in goose), /ɜː/ (as in nurse), /ɔː/ as in north and thought, and /ɑː/ (as in father and start). While a different degree of length is indeed present, there are also differences in the quality (lax vs tense) of these vowels, and the currently prevalent view tends to emphasise the latter rather than the former.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_length#Long_vowels_in_Eng...
In romanised Korean, the 'a' should be pronounced as a long vowel, as in father eg Chang should be pronounced as 'Chahng'
http://www.mccp.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/7...
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Note added at 37 mins (2010-07-26 17:16:17 GMT)
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long a: ape, lake, etc.
http://www.mrsmcgowan.com/reading/ref.htm
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Jim Tucker (X)
: This is probably not relevant to the passage at hand, as "long a" to a German (in contrast to the same in the IPA) refers only to quantity.
1 hr
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| agree |
Rebecca Garber
1 hr
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| agree |
Michael Wetzel
: perfect source and answer for received pronunciation
14 hrs
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Discussion
The reference in the asker's passage is probably to Cz "á".