Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Romanian term or phrase:
preot de mir
English translation:
secular priest
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Ca persoana consacrata, prin Sacramentul Hirotoniei, oricare preot de mir (cel obisnuit, de parohie) este investit si indreptatit (imputernicit) sa-si exercite intreita misiune (profesiune, vocatie): pimenica (pastorala, calauzitoare, de "leader-ship"), didactica (culturala, catehetica, omiletica, viziune "profetica", de perspectiva) si sacramentala (harismatica, liturgica, sacrificiala).
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Anca Nitu
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| 4 | secular clergy |
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secular priest
De cele mai multe ori preoţii de mir sunt preoţi parohi. Principala diferenţă între preoţii de mir şi preoţii monahi constă în căsătorie.
In the Orthodox Church, the term "secular clergy" refers to married priests and deacons, as opposed to monastic clergy (hieromonks and hierodeacons).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_clergy
In the Orthodox Church, the term "secular clergy" refers to married priests and deacons, as opposed to monastic clergy (hieromonks and hierodeacons).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_clergy
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MMUK (X)
: Cu mare plăcere!
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Mulţumesc!
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Lara Barnett
: I do still hold to my idea that the definition of "Secular Clergy" is a priest who does not belong to a religious order, although I am not denying that this may be the best translation possible.
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Lara, in the Christian Orthodoxy there are two kinds of priests: we call them "preoţi de mir" and "preoţi monahi (sau ieromonahi)". "Preoţii de mir" are married and usually assigned to serve in a parish.
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Julia Prazsmary
: Lara dear, the "mir" here hasn't got anything to do with the oil, it comes from the slavish word "miru", meaning "the world". Also please read the article from wikipedia down to where it comes to orthodox church.
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Annamaria Amik
: Dear Lara, I think it's safe to refrain from disagrees when one doesn't completely understand the source word :-) I totally agree with Julia (Julia: sorry, I only saw your comment after posting in the discussion area :-) ).
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Mulţumesc, Annamaria!
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Anca Nitu
: conform definitiei include si diaconii care nu sunt preoti de mir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_clergy
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Cosmin Băduleţeanu
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Mulţumesc, Cosmin!
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secular clergy
In religia crestin ortodoxa exista teoretic doua tipuri de viata:
1. Viata monahala, a calugarilor unde slujesc preoti calugari care sunt denumiti si IEROMONAHI.
2. Viata laica, a oamenilor obisnuiti care sunt numiti si mireni, iar pentru ei slujesc preoti casatoriti, denumiti si PREOTI DE MIR.
In the Orthodox Church, the term "secular clergy" refers to married priests and deacons, as opposed to monastic clergy (hieromonks and hierodeacons). The secular clergy are sometimes referred to as "white clergy", black being the customary color worn by monks. Traditionally, parish priests are expected to be secular clergy rather than being monastics, as the support of a wife is considered necessary for a priest living "in the world".
In the Orthodox Church, the term "secular clergy" refers to married priests and deacons, as opposed to monastic clergy (hieromonks and hierodeacons).
In the Roman Catholic Church, the secular clergy are ministers, such as deacons and priests, who do not belong to a religious order.
1. Viata monahala, a calugarilor unde slujesc preoti calugari care sunt denumiti si IEROMONAHI.
2. Viata laica, a oamenilor obisnuiti care sunt numiti si mireni, iar pentru ei slujesc preoti casatoriti, denumiti si PREOTI DE MIR.
In the Orthodox Church, the term "secular clergy" refers to married priests and deacons, as opposed to monastic clergy (hieromonks and hierodeacons). The secular clergy are sometimes referred to as "white clergy", black being the customary color worn by monks. Traditionally, parish priests are expected to be secular clergy rather than being monastics, as the support of a wife is considered necessary for a priest living "in the world".
In the Orthodox Church, the term "secular clergy" refers to married priests and deacons, as opposed to monastic clergy (hieromonks and hierodeacons).
In the Roman Catholic Church, the secular clergy are ministers, such as deacons and priests, who do not belong to a religious order.
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Lara Barnett
: This translation does not show the relevance of "mir" which would be needed for a Western English speaking readership. Also the definition of "Secular Clergy" is a priest who does not belong to a religious order.
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Seculary Clergy in ORTHODOX CHURCH means exactly preot de mir....it is not translated word by word
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Julia Prazsmary
: Lara dear, the "mir" here hasn't got anything to do with the oil, it comes from the slavish word "miru", meaning "the world". Also please read the article from wikipedia down to where it comes to orthodox church.
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Thank you..
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Anca Nitu
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_clergy, la fel ca si mai sus include diaconii care nu sunt preoti de mir
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(ordained) priest
http://www.crestinortodox.ro/credinta/preot-mir-preot-confes...
Ca persoana consacrata, prin Sacramentul Hirotoniei, oricare preot de mir (cel obisnuit, de parohie) este investit si indreptatit (imputernicit) sa-si exercite intreita misiune (profesiune, vocatie): pimenica (pastorala, calauzitoare, de "leader-ship"), didactica (culturala, catehetica, omiletica, viziune "profetica", de perspectiva) si sacramentala (harismatica, liturgica, sacrificiala).
All clergy, including deacons, priests, and bishops, may preach, teach, baptize, witness marriages and conduct funeral liturgies.[7] Only priests and bishops are allowed to administer the sacraments of the Eucharist, Reconciliation (Penance) and Anointing of the Sick.[8][9] Only bishops can administer the sacrament of Holy Orders, which ordains someone into the clergy.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_hierarchy
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Note added at 2 days5 hrs (2011-03-14 01:16:04 GMT)
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Intrucat numai in biserica ortodoxa si cea anglicana se gasesc preoti casatoriti echivalentul e cam greu de gasit
Cine citeste Catholic Church Hierachy afisat mai sus vede ca termenul de Clergy include : deacons,priests and bishops
Eu una sunt de parere ca e o mica diferenta intre ei
In biserica anglicana preotii sunt " ordained" termen care arata ca sunt abilitati sa indeplineasca functia de preot
Cititi " Eastern Christianity " din linkul de mai jos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Orders
plus pasajul acesta
Orthodoxy has two types of clergy: married (known as "white clergy") and monastic (known as "black clergy").
Pentru a fi mai clar propun " white" priest
Ca persoana consacrata, prin Sacramentul Hirotoniei, oricare preot de mir (cel obisnuit, de parohie) este investit si indreptatit (imputernicit) sa-si exercite intreita misiune (profesiune, vocatie): pimenica (pastorala, calauzitoare, de "leader-ship"), didactica (culturala, catehetica, omiletica, viziune "profetica", de perspectiva) si sacramentala (harismatica, liturgica, sacrificiala).
All clergy, including deacons, priests, and bishops, may preach, teach, baptize, witness marriages and conduct funeral liturgies.[7] Only priests and bishops are allowed to administer the sacraments of the Eucharist, Reconciliation (Penance) and Anointing of the Sick.[8][9] Only bishops can administer the sacrament of Holy Orders, which ordains someone into the clergy.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_hierarchy
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Note added at 2 days5 hrs (2011-03-14 01:16:04 GMT)
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Intrucat numai in biserica ortodoxa si cea anglicana se gasesc preoti casatoriti echivalentul e cam greu de gasit
Cine citeste Catholic Church Hierachy afisat mai sus vede ca termenul de Clergy include : deacons,priests and bishops
Eu una sunt de parere ca e o mica diferenta intre ei
In biserica anglicana preotii sunt " ordained" termen care arata ca sunt abilitati sa indeplineasca functia de preot
Cititi " Eastern Christianity " din linkul de mai jos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Orders
plus pasajul acesta
Orthodoxy has two types of clergy: married (known as "white clergy") and monastic (known as "black clergy").
Pentru a fi mai clar propun " white" priest
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Annamaria Amik
: Secular *priest* nu include si diaconii. Tehnic vorbind, este "ordained" si ieromonahul. "De mir" inseamna preotul din lume, nu cel din manastire, aceasta este caracteristica esentiala care il diferentiaza. // Vezi comentariu la "ordained" in discussion.
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va rog afisati aici parerea despre termenul propus " ordained priest"
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Mihaela Roman
: to ordain" înseamnă "a hirotoni", "ordination (sacrament)" fiind "(taina) hirotoniei", adică ritualul prin care un membru al clerului (de regulă diacon sau ierodiacon) este ridicat la rangul de preot (sau ieromonah)
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preotul de mir este hirotonisit
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Discussion
In Orthodoxy, there is no such thing as a "religious order" (as the Benedictines, Franciscans etc. of the Roman Catholics) either: all monastics are part of the same "order". Indeed "secular clergy" is not the accurate translation, as it includes both the priests and deacons "de mir". However, "de mir" simply means that the priest is not a monastic living in a monastery, but lives in the world, most likely has a wife whom he married before he was ordained priest. After ordainment, priests can no longer marry: they can either remain non-monastic celibates or can become monastics. Please note that celibate and monastic are not synonymous terms in Orthodoxy.
http://www.calauzaortodoxa.ro/credinta/lectia-nr-3-de-religi... Este evident că opusul atributului "de mir" este "călugăr", aşa cum a punctat de la bun început Julia.
http://dictionarortodox.com/preot-de-mir
Preot de mir înseamnă preot ortodox care slujeşte mirenilor.
Preoţii de mir slujesc în bisericile din oraş, din lume, şi nu în mănăstire.
A fi diacon nu înseamnă a face parte din "secular" clergy - există şi ierodiaconi, adică monahi cu rang de diacon (de altfel, şi diaconii pot sluji anumite părţi din liturghie), aşa cum există şi diaconi de mir, care slujesc în lume. Preoţia este una. În sensul tainei preoţiei, "la fel de preot" este şi preotul de mir (cel din lume, majoritatea căsătoriţi), ca şi ieromonahul, adică preotul-călugăr. De mir înseamnă pur şi simplu "din sau în lume", a nu se confunda cu presupusele înţelesuri derivate din termenul mir sau mirungere. De altfel, cel mai important element al tainei preoţiei nu este "ungerea", ci punerea mâinilor.
Secular clergy cuprinde toti preotii si personalul clerical care nu sunt calugari. Or si in aceasta categorie sunt mai multe subcategorii
chrism n (oil used for anointing) mir s.n.
myrrh n (fragrant oil) mir s.n
http://www.wordreference.com/roen/mir