Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
"lobos" (in this context)
English translation:
discordant "wolf" fifth
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May 5, 2011 14:50
13 yrs ago
Spanish term
"lobos" (in this context)
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
Music
Musical notes/Tuning
SPAIN: One for the musicians; note that it is in quotation marks in the original.
"Cuando se afina un instrumento en nuestra escala actual algunos intervalos de quinta –que son consonantes- pueden sonar tan mal que en música se conocen como “lobos”, por lo que “aúllan”, debido a que no están afinados como intervalos “naturales”.
"Cuando se afina un instrumento en nuestra escala actual algunos intervalos de quinta –que son consonantes- pueden sonar tan mal que en música se conocen como “lobos”, por lo que “aúllan”, debido a que no están afinados como intervalos “naturales”.
Proposed translations
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4 +3 | discordant "wolf" fifth | kittilina |
References
Some refs. | Taña Dalglish |
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discordant "wolf" fifth
I was going to say just "discordant" but then I found this:
"The interval between E and B, 40/27 (680.4 cents), is a discordant "wolf" fifth, which differs from the perfect fifth by a syntonic comma (81/80 or 21.5 cents). "
Hope it helps
"The interval between E and B, 40/27 (680.4 cents), is a discordant "wolf" fifth, which differs from the perfect fifth by a syntonic comma (81/80 or 21.5 cents). "
Hope it helps
Note from asker:
Thanks to your tip I found it on Wikipedia. I never thought to look for "wolf", we just call them "bum notes"... Thanks for the help ;) |
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Sandro Tomasi
: Never heard of it. So thanks for the ref. Funny how people with a keen sense of pitch come up with a tuning that mimics the sound produced by people without one. (No offense to the "wolf" advocates).
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eski
: Nice work, kittilina! eski
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Emma Goldsmith
: Learn a new thing everyday :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for the pointer. Sometime I can't see the wood for the trees..."
Reference comments
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Reference:
Some refs.
I would just say "wolf" fifth [quinte-Du-loup or diabolus in musica].
Wolf tone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about artificial overtones in musical instruments. ... older device on cellos was a fifth string that could be tuned to the wolf frequency; ...
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_tone - Cached -
http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/music/WolfFifth.h...
In the mean tone scale, the C:E' frequency ratio is defined to be exactly 5 instead of the expected . The discrepancy between four fifths and a seventeenth is , known as the comma of Didymus), and required that each whole step have a ratio of instead of the 3/2=1.5 of the exact fifth. When the scale was started at C and carried four such steps backwards and eight such steps forward (E, B, F, C, G, D, A, E, B, F, C, and G), the G-E interval consisted of 12 mean tone whole steps ), whereas 12 fifths would be . This produced cacophony and was therefore known as a ***wolf fifth, also called a quinte-Du-loup or diabolus in musica.***
Songstuff: In Search Of The Imperfect Fifth
Temperament affects the tuning of musical instruments. ... This necessitated having eleven pure fifths and one small (wolf) fifth that sounded disturbingly ...
www.recording.songstuff.com/article/the_imperfect_fifth -
HTH!
Wolf tone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about artificial overtones in musical instruments. ... older device on cellos was a fifth string that could be tuned to the wolf frequency; ...
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_tone - Cached -
http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/music/WolfFifth.h...
In the mean tone scale, the C:E' frequency ratio is defined to be exactly 5 instead of the expected . The discrepancy between four fifths and a seventeenth is , known as the comma of Didymus), and required that each whole step have a ratio of instead of the 3/2=1.5 of the exact fifth. When the scale was started at C and carried four such steps backwards and eight such steps forward (E, B, F, C, G, D, A, E, B, F, C, and G), the G-E interval consisted of 12 mean tone whole steps ), whereas 12 fifths would be . This produced cacophony and was therefore known as a ***wolf fifth, also called a quinte-Du-loup or diabolus in musica.***
Songstuff: In Search Of The Imperfect Fifth
Temperament affects the tuning of musical instruments. ... This necessitated having eleven pure fifths and one small (wolf) fifth that sounded disturbingly ...
www.recording.songstuff.com/article/the_imperfect_fifth -
HTH!
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Sandro Tomasi
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Thank you so much Sandro. Abrazos.
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Altogringo
: Research is very impressive.
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Thank you Altogringo.
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