Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Jul 28, 2011 18:25
12 yrs ago
日本語 term
米国
オヤジ諸兄
日本語 から 英語
マーケティング
ジャーナリズム
Magazine readers
In a magazine article about expensive Italian shoes, it says the shoes are already well-known among the オヤジ諸兄 who read the magazine. Consequently, I don't think oyaji should be translated with a *negative* connotation here. Any ideas?
Proposed translations
(英語)
| 3 +2 | gentlemen |
Katalin Horváth McClure
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| 4 | fellow mature citizens |
humbird
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| 4 | Older readers |
Pierrick Jaouen, CFA
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| 4 | Senior guys here |
Pierrick Jaouen, CFA
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Proposed translations
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Katalin Horváth McClure
米国
米国
米国
Expert: high-tech, software, engineering
Native in: ハンガリー語 
Works in: 英語 から ハンガリー語, 日本語 から 英語, ハンガリー語 から 英語, and 3 more.
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gentlemen
If you are sure the author does not use it with any negative connotation, then perhaps "gentlemen" is a simple solution here.
Note from asker:
| Hi, Katalin. I'm starting to think that might work, too. I'm not SURE there's no negative sense, but based on the overall tone and the fact that they're speaking highly of the shoes throughout, it would be odd for them to disparage these "oyajis." ;) |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
MariyaN (X)
2時間
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| agree |
Carl Freire
: Though I would tweak it and say "older gentlemen."
6時間
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I would decide based on the target audience, I mean if this is supposed to be a marketing type of text for men in the US, then it may be better not to say that, as it may drive away potential new customers (those that don't like to be called "older").
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Katalin. I decided to play it safe and use this. Thanks to Humbird as well for the explanation. It was my 1st time to see 諸兄, so I appreciate the info."
32分
fellow mature citizens
A slightly twisted version. As you know 諸兄 is a honorific term, therefore never been used in negative way. So you're right, there's no such connotation here.
オヤジ as the way it's used here is a term of endearment, thus my answer.
One more note -- 諸兄 is a gender-specific word, but today is the age of political correctness, so it appears they use it like 諸兄姉 to includes opposite gender.
Nonetheless, it is obvious ladies are omitted here in your context, but having that said, I still like to include the later (to be on safe side).
HTH
オヤジ as the way it's used here is a term of endearment, thus my answer.
One more note -- 諸兄 is a gender-specific word, but today is the age of political correctness, so it appears they use it like 諸兄姉 to includes opposite gender.
Nonetheless, it is obvious ladies are omitted here in your context, but having that said, I still like to include the later (to be on safe side).
HTH
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Katalin Horváth McClure
: Well, the shoes are for men. "citizens" can be controversial, and "mature" is not a word of endearment, IMHO. "fellow" is risky, too, especially if the author is young and/or a woman./I agree the Japanese is word of endearment. But English "mature" is not
2時間
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Sorry Katalin, you don't understand the essence of this Japanese. It is definitely a term of endearment. It is addressed to fellow guys or gals. Your comment is totally off the base.
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9時間
Pierrick Jaouen, CFA
フランス
フランス
Native in 英語
Works in field
フランス
Financial and business translator
Native in: 英語 (Variants: US, UK) 
, フランス語 (Variants: Belgian, Swiss, Standard-France)
Works in: アラビア語 から 英語, 中国語 から 英語, 日本語 から 英語, and 13 more.
Older readers
I would choose this formulation from the context provided.
Explanation:
"Older readers of "Leon" will certainly be familiar with..."
(younger readers would probably not know..)
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Note added at 9 час (2011-07-29 03:59:43 GMT)
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Oyaji shokun has an endearing nuance which is lost in the translation here.
Explanation:
"Older readers of "Leon" will certainly be familiar with..."
(younger readers would probably not know..)
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Note added at 9 час (2011-07-29 03:59:43 GMT)
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Oyaji shokun has an endearing nuance which is lost in the translation here.
9時間
Pierrick Jaouen, CFA
フランス
フランス
Native in 英語
Works in field
フランス
Financial and business translator
Native in: 英語 (Variants: US, UK) , フランス語 (Variants: Belgian, Swiss, Standard-France)
Works in: アラビア語 から 英語, 中国語 から 英語, 日本語 から 英語, and 13 more.
Senior guys here
"senior guys here will be familiar.."
We keep the endearing nuance of oyaji shokun..
Sorry for the double entry..
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Note added at 9 час (2011-07-29 04:03:34 GMT)
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Or "senior chaps here"...
We keep the endearing nuance of oyaji shokun..
Sorry for the double entry..
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Note added at 9 час (2011-07-29 04:03:34 GMT)
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Or "senior chaps here"...
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