Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

teenage girl vs. young woman

English answer:

17 teen age girl - 18, 19 young women

Added to glossary by Jenni Lukac (X)
Sep 29, 2011 22:51
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English term

teenage girl vs. young woman

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Although for a number of years I was a BBC employee - albeit in a past era when that erstwhile body took pride in its use of its and my native language - I am errr... disconcerted, let's say, by the following report on the BBC News website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15120082

A teenage girl and two young women have been injured in a shooting in west London, Scotland Yard has said.
The victims, aged 17, 18 and 19, were taken to a central London hospital after the incident ...


When I was at school, anyone in the age range thirteen to nineteen was a 'teenager'; 'womanhood' was reserved for 'adults'.

Can anyone here enlighten me as regards the distinction the BBC makes between one of these three victims who is classified as 'a teenager' and the other two who are 'young women'?

It has occurred to me already that the age of criminal responsibility might have something to do with it - but the text refers to the victims, not the person whose finger was on the trigger.
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Oct 13, 2011 07:26: Jenni Lukac (X) Created KOG entry

Discussion

claude-andrew Oct 1, 2011:
My wife says it's obviously because 18 is the age of consent and majority
Carol Gullidge Sep 30, 2011:
It COULD be relevant! Since these girls were victims and not the perpetrators, in my mind, 'teenagers' or 'teenage girls' sounds far more emotive than 'young women', which somehow also sounds rather demure (which is no doubt beside the point!). Conversely, if the girls had been the aggressors, 'teenagers' would have carried connotations of teenage violence and thugs
Tina Vonhof (X) Sep 30, 2011:
Not relevant I think a differentiation by age is not at all relevant to the story. Since all three were older teenagers (and only one was a minor), "three young women" is the most appropriate i.m.o.
Carol Gullidge Sep 30, 2011:
news update fresh off the press! The oldest girl (who was clutching her baby" has again been referred to as "the teenager" on Radio 4.

I'm rather comforted to hear that a teenager is still a teenager (or whatever) regardless and that there seems to be no strict rule. Whether the original term - with its implication - was intentional or not will probably never be known. But you could always raise it with the BBC... They might even interview you!
mediamatrix (X) Sep 30, 2011:
@Alison and Carol Thank you Ladies (I choose my words carefully ... I hope!) for these updates. They give interesting insight into how news perspectives change and stories can be nuanced/slanted/(call it what you will) to give more or less sympathetic treatment of people in the news.
There's a related story, where it turns out that one of the victims is a mother with babe in arms when she was shot:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15124784

I imagine that in the next 24 hours this parallel report will also evolve - the 'three men on pedal cycles' will turn out to be two youths and a boy and the bikes will become two skate boards and a moped.

Coming back to my original question: my own impression at the time was that the journalist was making that distinction in a way that might be appropriate if the 3 'girls' had been the attacker(s), and that it might be related to the degree of legal responsability based on precise ages. Applying that distinction to the victims seemed to me to be discriminatory, in a manner that's entirely unwarranted in the circumstances; it looks as though the news editors may have shared my view, and have now sought to put all 3 on equal footing.
Carol Gullidge Sep 30, 2011:
@ mediamatrix just heard the story again on the news (BBC radio 4) and they were all referred to as "teenage girls"
Alison MacG Sep 30, 2011:
Latest version - authors still can't decide At 8.20 this morning, "two women and a girl" became "three teenage girls" and "a teenage girl and two young women" became "three young women", one as the headline and the other as a sub-heading. You can follow the changes here http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/439974/diff/4/5

Here is one newspaper style guide:
age - technically at 18 you are a man/woman. However, other words may be more suitable depending on context, eg teenager, youth, boy/girl.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/yourargus/style_guide/style_guide_...

Responses

+10
3 mins
Selected

17 teen age girl - 18, 19 young women

18 is the generally accepted magic number in this case, but "young women /ladies" is used very broadly.
Peer comment(s):

agree Jack Doughty
3 mins
Thanks, Jack.
agree eccotraduttrice
8 mins
Thank you, Chiara.
agree jccantrell : Isn't 18 the "age of majority" in Britain? So, girl is reserved for minors and woman is for a, ahem, more mature girl.
19 mins
Thanks, Jc: The age of majority in England and Wales changed from age 21 to age 18 on 1.1.70. In Scotland it is 16. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/dmgmanual/html/DMG46001/10_00...
agree Charles Davis : Clearly this must be the explanation for the BBC's rather over-elaborate distinction. (I didn't know it was 16 in Scotland!) You have to be careful about calling anyone over 18 a "girl" these days; that may be what's behind it.
55 mins
Thanks, Charles. There is an "age of consent" and an age of majority."
agree MedTrans&More : 18 is nowadays generally considered to be the age when you enter adulthood/womanhood, although it would be 16 or even younger for certain communities in Britain, i.e. travellers/gypsies....
3 hrs
Thanks, MedTrans. It's tricky. The "age of consent" is legally 13 in Spain!
agree Liz Dexter (was Broomfield)
7 hrs
Cheers and thanks, Liz.
agree Tony M : Yes, I feel sure the distinction being made is that of the age of majority
7 hrs
Cheers and thanks, Toni. I agree with you.
agree Sheila Wilson : With the other comments, but I do agree with the Asker that it's rather absurd, in view of the obvious origin of the word "teenager"
7 hrs
Thanks, Sheila. Yes, "teenager" is not a legal term.
agree Carol Gullidge
9 hrs
Thanks, Carol. Alison's contribution to the discussion shows how relative this is in practice!
agree Phong Le
1 day 1 hr
Cheers, Phong. Have a good weekend.
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+1
8 mins

girl in her "teens" and woman early 20's

This is exactly as described in words.

Teenage is always somebody from 12 or 13 up to 19.

Young woman can be used generally for anything from a higher aged teenager, say 18 or 19, up to 29 or even 30.

However, I would say that this description is classing the 17 year old as the teenager and the 18 and 19 year olds as young women because anything over 16 is seen as almost an adult in many areas of life, i.e. work, education, etc. and as they could all be teenagers technically, the different expressions are making the point that these teenagers are in the later stage of their teens.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Your argument isn't logical: "anything over 16 is seen as almost an adult" — but the 'teenage girl' is the one who is 17.
6 hrs
Yes but I am talking about the way the writer is referring to these females. In my experience the use of the terms around these ages are quite loose anyway, my point was the usage in the context by the writer.
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : It makes sense to consider all three as being in the same category - their exact ages are not relevant to the story.
1 day 20 hrs
Thank you.
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