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French term or phrase:
Négociation raisonnée
English translation:
Reasoned Negotiation
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Négociation raisonnée
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For an education workshop, pls see below thanks. Im sure there must be an english equivalent for this but reasoned negotiation doesn't sound good enough to me, thanks
DEROULE PEDAGOGIQUE Séminaire NEGOCIATION RAISONNEE –xxxx pour xxxx
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1er jour
Intitulé des séquences
Objectif : le stagiaire sera capable de
Contenu de la formation
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DEROULE PEDAGOGIQUE Séminaire NEGOCIATION RAISONNEE –xxxx pour xxxx
-xxxx 75008 Page
Durée
Horaires
1er jour
Intitulé des séquences
Objectif : le stagiaire sera capable de
Contenu de la formation
Méthodes et supports pédagogiques
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Dec 28, 2011 04:04: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "Negociation raisonnee" to "Négociation raisonnée"
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Yvonne Gallagher
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French term (edited):
Negociation raisonnee
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Reasoned Negotiation
I'd leave irt as fairly literal translation
this is a course at Harvard which is taught in many places and often called Harvard style. Basically about negotiating in a reasoned or well thought out or considered way and negotiationg in a step by step approach
www.ibe.unesco.org/en/themes/archived-themes/.../training.h...
... Negotiation (“Harvard's Reasoned Negotiation”) and the Working group on the Sectoral Analysis and Programme COMED (Communication for Education and ...
www.bkpartners.be/en/our-team/evelyne-meissirel/
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Educated in France, Belgium (BBMC, PMR in reasoned negotiation and ... the United States (Harvard University in mediation), Evelyne Meissirel is a certified ...
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this method is based on the principle of win-win where each side can gain something but I would not call it a Win-Win method here
www.ecp.fr/files/content/sites/ecp.../regards_croises_uk_15...
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Harvard's Reasoned Negotiation. Law for Engineers. Entrepreneurialism. Technological Innovation. Computing, Modelling. Energetics, Combustion. Innovative ...
www.fao.org/tc/negotiation/w_method.asp
... Practise the reasoned negotiation method based on the win-win concept ... The methodology used was mainly developed by the Harvard University and the ...
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glad to have helped. Happy New Year to everyone!
this is a course at Harvard which is taught in many places and often called Harvard style. Basically about negotiating in a reasoned or well thought out or considered way and negotiationg in a step by step approach
www.ibe.unesco.org/en/themes/archived-themes/.../training.h...
... Negotiation (“Harvard's Reasoned Negotiation”) and the Working group on the Sectoral Analysis and Programme COMED (Communication for Education and ...
www.bkpartners.be/en/our-team/evelyne-meissirel/
Block all www.bkpartners.be results
Educated in France, Belgium (BBMC, PMR in reasoned negotiation and ... the United States (Harvard University in mediation), Evelyne Meissirel is a certified ...
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this method is based on the principle of win-win where each side can gain something but I would not call it a Win-Win method here
www.ecp.fr/files/content/sites/ecp.../regards_croises_uk_15...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Harvard's Reasoned Negotiation. Law for Engineers. Entrepreneurialism. Technological Innovation. Computing, Modelling. Energetics, Combustion. Innovative ...
www.fao.org/tc/negotiation/w_method.asp
... Practise the reasoned negotiation method based on the win-win concept ... The methodology used was mainly developed by the Harvard University and the ...
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Note added at 2 days2 hrs (2011-12-29 12:50:40 GMT) Post-grading
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glad to have helped. Happy New Year to everyone!
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kashew
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thanks Kashew and Happy New Year
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: I came across "reasoned" a couple of times too, but more often in non native sources. The Harvard system is also referred to as "principled negotiation".
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Yes, am also wary of non-native links! Principled" also exists of course but not quite as common as "reasoned" imo
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Margaret Rigaud
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French term (edited):
Negociation raisonnee
interest-based negotiation
see Linguee et al.
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cc in nyc
: See the French Wiki http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Négociation_raisonnée or English sources, e.g. http://www.adr.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7363
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Dragana Velkovska
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French term (edited):
Negociation raisonnee
Reasonable negotiation
Means "doing what is reasonable in the circumstances in order to negotiate and reach an agreement". Being fair, acting in good faith.
Example sentence:
Any negotiation must be a reasonable negotiation so that afterwards good relations is maintained.
As required by Federal laws and regulations and to allow for a fair and reasonable negotiation of costs, the contracting agency must use and apply the consulting firm's approved indirect cost rate for estimation, negotiation, and administration...
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Catharine Cellier-Smart
: "reasoned" possibly, but NOT "reasonable" here
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Marlena Dobosz
: The meaning proposed does not correspond to the meaning of the source term. It's not about being fair but about mutual gains.
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writeaway
: this is easy but not this easy. as so often, beware of a lurking faux ami
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: "raisonnée" = based or founded on reason, something which has been thought through, worked out, based on logical reason, reasoning. It implies, evidence, proof.
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Marlena Dobosz
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principled negotiation
"Principled negotiation is a problem solving, win/win approach to negotiation [...]" http://www.marcbowles.com/courses/adv_dip/module2/module9/m9...
"La négociation raisonnée, ou méthode gagnant/gagnant est fondée sur la coopération." http://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q="negociation raisonnee...
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In fact, there are several synonyms to transmit the meaning of "négociation raisonnée". "It is known by many names and practiced in many variations and settings: Win-Win Bargaining, Mutual Gains, Principled or Interest-Based Negotiations, Interest-Based Problem Solving, Best Practice or Integrative Bargaining. Some of the variations utilize different steps and techniques, which can alter and affect outcomes. However, no matter which variation is used, the Interest-based Bargaining concept is constant." http://www.usfa.fema.gov/pdf/efop/efo30461.pdf [Keep in mind that it's an American source] The choice of the best equivalent depends on the content of the course: Intitulé des séquences... le stagiaire sera capable de... Contenu de la formation....
"La négociation raisonnée, ou méthode gagnant/gagnant est fondée sur la coopération." http://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q="negociation raisonnee...
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In fact, there are several synonyms to transmit the meaning of "négociation raisonnée". "It is known by many names and practiced in many variations and settings: Win-Win Bargaining, Mutual Gains, Principled or Interest-Based Negotiations, Interest-Based Problem Solving, Best Practice or Integrative Bargaining. Some of the variations utilize different steps and techniques, which can alter and affect outcomes. However, no matter which variation is used, the Interest-based Bargaining concept is constant." http://www.usfa.fema.gov/pdf/efop/efo30461.pdf [Keep in mind that it's an American source] The choice of the best equivalent depends on the content of the course: Intitulé des séquences... le stagiaire sera capable de... Contenu de la formation....
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: I came across a source with this suggestion. I don't know which is the more common of the two (principled/evidence-based) in pedagocial circles!
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jasonwkingsley
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French term (edited):
Negociation raisonnee
Sound/healthy negotiation
Or simply : intelligent negotiation
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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evidence-based negotiation
Something which is evidence-based is something for which there is a body of evidence to substatiate a particular point of view, a particular procedure and so on.
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As confirmed by a great poet ;-) : http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/robert-burns/1b/560/865
"International collaborative working and project management.
Resolution of export related issues through effective dialogue and evidence based negotiation.
EU expert group member representing Scotland"
http://www.cebma.org/wp-content/uploads/Goodman-OBrien-Teach...
"IV. Education
Teaching and Learning Using Evidence-Based Principles
Jodi S. Goodman, University of Connecticut
James O’Brien, The University of Western Ontario
Abstract
In this chapter, we present several cognitive learning theories relevant for novice, expert, and advanced learning, and discuss their implications for the instructional design and delivery of university management courses. We describe how evidence-based instructional strategies can be derived from cognitive learning theories, and then we apply the strategies to commonly used teaching practices in management courses. We also address a number of challenges that we believe have impeded evidence-based teaching practice."
http://blog-aauw.org/2009/06/26/bring-salary-negotiation-pro...
"The 2007–08 AAUW Campus Action Project (CAP) team from Clarkson University used their grant money to empower women students to learn and use evidence-based negotiation strategies and techniques in professional and work situations and to provide a safe space for women to learn to participate actively in negotiations."
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My suggestion being based on vague knowledge/understandin of "culture raisonnée" in relation to vines and "evidence-based medicine".
Some French sources you may wish to consult and compare :-
http://www.negociation-raisonnee.com/pdf/ECP_invit_22mars-17...
http://www.comedie.org/pdf/note_negociationraisonnee.pdf
(where 'principled negotation' is given for an Egnlish rendering)
http://perspective.usherbrooke.ca/bilan/servlet/BMDictionnai...
Again, the list could go on for some time as it depends, as always, on context. I'll leave you to root around and see if the way the term is used in your original context fits my suggestion!
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Note added at 4 hrs (2011-12-27 14:53:29 GMT)
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As confirmed by a great poet ;-) : http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/robert-burns/1b/560/865
"International collaborative working and project management.
Resolution of export related issues through effective dialogue and evidence based negotiation.
EU expert group member representing Scotland"
http://www.cebma.org/wp-content/uploads/Goodman-OBrien-Teach...
"IV. Education
Teaching and Learning Using Evidence-Based Principles
Jodi S. Goodman, University of Connecticut
James O’Brien, The University of Western Ontario
Abstract
In this chapter, we present several cognitive learning theories relevant for novice, expert, and advanced learning, and discuss their implications for the instructional design and delivery of university management courses. We describe how evidence-based instructional strategies can be derived from cognitive learning theories, and then we apply the strategies to commonly used teaching practices in management courses. We also address a number of challenges that we believe have impeded evidence-based teaching practice."
http://blog-aauw.org/2009/06/26/bring-salary-negotiation-pro...
"The 2007–08 AAUW Campus Action Project (CAP) team from Clarkson University used their grant money to empower women students to learn and use evidence-based negotiation strategies and techniques in professional and work situations and to provide a safe space for women to learn to participate actively in negotiations."
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Note added at 4 hrs (2011-12-27 14:58:56 GMT)
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My suggestion being based on vague knowledge/understandin of "culture raisonnée" in relation to vines and "evidence-based medicine".
Some French sources you may wish to consult and compare :-
http://www.negociation-raisonnee.com/pdf/ECP_invit_22mars-17...
http://www.comedie.org/pdf/note_negociationraisonnee.pdf
(where 'principled negotation' is given for an Egnlish rendering)
http://perspective.usherbrooke.ca/bilan/servlet/BMDictionnai...
Again, the list could go on for some time as it depends, as always, on context. I'll leave you to root around and see if the way the term is used in your original context fits my suggestion!
6 hrs
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French term (edited):
Negociation raisonnee
balanced negotiation
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Example sentence:
The objective is to have a balanced negotiation and, at the end, have all parties satisfied at the most, and no one with hard feelings or a feeling of frustration.
Reference comments
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pooja_chic
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