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English term or phrase:
31,574M
Spanish translation:
31574 millones
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Charles Davis
Jan 14, 2012 20:34
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31,574M
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Hola gente linda!
Estoy repasando una presentación en inglés y veo : $31,574M. Como leen esto? no puede ser treinta y un mil quinientos setenta y cuatro millones porque en inglés mil millones es 1 billon .¿no son 31 billons in English?
estoy mareada con tantos números
Thanks in advance!
Estoy repasando una presentación en inglés y veo : $31,574M. Como leen esto? no puede ser treinta y un mil quinientos setenta y cuatro millones porque en inglés mil millones es 1 billon .¿no son 31 billons in English?
estoy mareada con tantos números
Thanks in advance!
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Jan 14, 2012 21:48: Charles Davis changed "Language pair" from "Spanish to English" to "English to Spanish"
Jan 21, 2012 12:31: Charles Davis Created KOG entry
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31,574,000
This is "31 coma 574 millones" in Spanish. The comma cannot be a thousands separator in Spanish; it can only be a decimal separator. it is therefore just over 31 and a half million. The M, of course, means millions.
In English, the thousands separator is the comma and the point is the decimal separator.
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It could also be written as "31.574 million" in English, and that would be a closer equivalent in format.
There is nothing unusual in missing off the last three zeros.
"The total funding requirement over the period would be K126.299 billion, roughly US$31.574 million at the current exchange rate."
http://www1.worldbank.org/publicsector/civilservice/maysemin...
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I had misread the question, which is posted as Spanish-English: sorry.
If this number is in an English text, it is 31 thousand 574 million. The comma in English is a thousands separator. So it is just over 31 and a half billion. A billion is a thousand million both in the US and in the UK, as stated in the discussion (officially the UK billion has been a thousand million since the 1970s).
So the number in Spanish is:
31 574 000 000 (note that I do not use points as thousands separators, as the RAE instructs).
The correct presentation in Spanish would be:
31574 millones 31 574 millones.
Though 31,574 mil millones would be correct, strictly speaking. However, I wouldn't put it like that.
In English, the thousands separator is the comma and the point is the decimal separator.
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-01-14 21:36:46 GMT)
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It could also be written as "31.574 million" in English, and that would be a closer equivalent in format.
There is nothing unusual in missing off the last three zeros.
"The total funding requirement over the period would be K126.299 billion, roughly US$31.574 million at the current exchange rate."
http://www1.worldbank.org/publicsector/civilservice/maysemin...
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-01-14 21:48:26 GMT)
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I had misread the question, which is posted as Spanish-English: sorry.
If this number is in an English text, it is 31 thousand 574 million. The comma in English is a thousands separator. So it is just over 31 and a half billion. A billion is a thousand million both in the US and in the UK, as stated in the discussion (officially the UK billion has been a thousand million since the 1970s).
So the number in Spanish is:
31 574 000 000 (note that I do not use points as thousands separators, as the RAE instructs).
The correct presentation in Spanish would be:
31574 millones 31 574 millones.
Though 31,574 mil millones would be correct, strictly speaking. However, I wouldn't put it like that.
Note from asker:
| Hi! this is witten in English |
Peer comment(s):
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fionn
: I think the source text is in English? // Thanks for your even-minded efforts to clear up the mess!! best, fionn
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Aargh! Too hasty. You're right; it says "en inglés". I'll add a note. Reversing the pair is easy; I'll do it now.
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Daniel Frisano
: everything is wrong... commas and actual amount, which is 31.574.000.000
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This was posted as Spanish-English, and I answered it as such, correctly. Fionn pointed out it says "en inglés". I reversed the language pair and revised my answer. My revised answer is correct, and yours is the same. Your "disagree" is wholly unjust.
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Claudia Luque Bedregal
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¡Gracias, Claudia! ¡Menuda confusión!
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teresa quimper
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¡Gracias, Teresa!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks!!!"
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Rufino Pérez De La Sierra
Canada
Canada
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Spanish
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Canada
Certified, 18 years of experience
Native in: English (Variants: Canadian, US) 
, Spanish (Variants: Mexican, US)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
31.574 billions
This is it!
Good luck
Rufino
Good luck
Rufino
Peer comment(s):
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Joel Schaefer
: But is that comma to set off decimals or thousands? It depends on the source country. 31574 million or 31 million 574 thousand? I suspect the latter. As usual, more context would help.
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If it was 31 million 574 thousand they would have written 3 more zeros.... The M after a number is most commonly used by printed media to indicate Millions. Context helps, but so does experience....
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fionn
: I think so. The capital M is usually million. // Indeed, should be 'billion' singular.
29 mins
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Lisa McCarthy
: 'billion' not 'billions'
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Alistair Ian Spearing Ortiz
: Lisa's right.
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Claudia Reynaud
: Susiq dice en su pregunta original que la cifra aparece en una presentación en inglés, entonces lo que dice el texto original es "$31,574 million" y la equivalencia correcta sería "$31.574 billion" (sin la "s"), pero en español es $31,574 millones.
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Daniel Frisano
Italy
Italy
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Italy
100% human translation, always
Native in: Italian 
Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, German to Italian, and 14 more.
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8
31.574 millones
treinta y uno mil y pico millones
Peer comment(s):
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Charles Davis
: Your answer coincides with my revised answer, given earlier. Please read the whole of the preceding answers before posting yours. Your point as thousands separator is incorrect, by the way. Read the RAE rules.
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Alistair Ian Spearing Ortiz
Spain
Spain
Native in English
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Spanish
Spain
Language skills and scientific knowledge
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain) , English (Variant: UK)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English to Spanish, and 6 more.
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100
31.574 M
Manteniendo el formato del original... No hace falta poner "millones", sino que basta con la "M".
Peer comment(s):
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Charles Davis
: I would not use M, which is quite often used for "thousand" in Spanish and could be ambiguous. // Same to you, Alistair! You are right about m and M, but in financial circles this rule is by no means always observed. See Ernesto's answer!!
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The symbol for "thousand" is "m", not "M". Have a nice weekend, Charles.
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ertraducciones
Mexico
Mexico
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Mexico
¡Make a special link between languages!
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
thirty one million five hundred and seventy thousand
La cifra sin la M equivale a treinta y un mil quinientos setenta y cuatro, la M indica que la cifra despues de la como se refiere a millares.
10 hrs
Claudia Reynaud
United States
United States
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Spanish
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United States
Quite the perfectionist
Native in: English (Variant: US) , Spanish (Variant: Mexican)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
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19
$31,574 millones
Si lo estás traduciendo del inglés al español como indicas en tu pregunta, aunque en inglés lo correcto hubiera sido que pusieran "$31.574 billion", lo que dice el texto original es "$31,574 million", que en español es "$31,574 millones".
Sin embargo, yo te sugiero que revises el resto de las cifras en los estados financieros y veas si tiene sentido esta cifra (es decir, si el resto de las cifras habla de miles de millones, pues de lo contrario, podrías ser un error de dedo la coma, aunque yo opino que es poco probable, porque generalmente no ponen tres cifras decimales después de un punto decimal). Si la cifra no corresponde con el resto de las cifras que aparecen en los estados financieros, entonces yo te sugeriría que le pidieras a tu cliente que te lo aclare.
¡Saludos!
Sin embargo, yo te sugiero que revises el resto de las cifras en los estados financieros y veas si tiene sentido esta cifra (es decir, si el resto de las cifras habla de miles de millones, pues de lo contrario, podrías ser un error de dedo la coma, aunque yo opino que es poco probable, porque generalmente no ponen tres cifras decimales después de un punto decimal). Si la cifra no corresponde con el resto de las cifras que aparecen en los estados financieros, entonces yo te sugeriría que le pidieras a tu cliente que te lo aclare.
¡Saludos!
Discussion
Por cierto, en México hubo un intento, en 2002, de establecer la coma como separador decimal, pero se modificó la norma en 2009 para permitir el punto, ya que la gente seguía utilizándolo
http://www.dof.gob.mx/documentos/3837/seeco/seeco.htm
En el mundo angloparlante, jamás se emplea la coma como separador decimal. Por tanto, "31,574" no es ambiguo en inglés: quiere decir 31574.
4.4. En los números escritos con cifras, la normativa internacional establece el uso de la coma para separar la parte entera de la parte decimal: π = 3,1416 (→ coma2, 4); pero también se acepta el uso del punto, propio de países de habla inglesa y extendido en algunos países hispanoamericanos [...].
5.2. Aunque todavía es práctica común en los números escritos con cifras separar los millares, millones, etc., mediante un punto (o una coma, en los países en que se emplea el punto para separar la parte entera de la decimal), la norma internacional establece que se prescinda de él. Para facilitar la lectura de estos números, cuando constan de más de cuatro cifras se recomienda separar estas mediante espacios por grupos de tres, contando de derecha a izquierda: 52 345, 6 462 749. Esta recomendación no debe aplicarse en documentos contables ni en ningún tipo de escrito en que la separación en que la separación arriesgue la seguridad."
http://buscon.rae.es/dpdI/SrvltConsulta?lema=punto
Creo que no hay ninguna norma académica más ampliamente ignorada que ésta. Confieso que yo sigo utilizando el punto en los millares. Según la RAE, hay que poner "31574".
The most important thing is to be clear that the amount stated in English as 31,574M is 31 574 000 000, NOT 31 574 000. The comma is a thousands separator in English.
M for millions is standard in English and will not be misunderstood, but this is not so clearly true in Spanish, at least in financial contexts. Some people use K for thousands and M for millions, as José says. Some use m for thousands and M for millions, as Alistair says. But quite a lot use M for thousands and MM for millions, as for example in this financial report from the Banco de Crédito e Inversiones in Chile: http://www.bci.cl/medios/accionistas/pdf/memoria2002/EE_FFIN... . I therefore feel that it is better to spell out "millones", to avoid any risk of misunderstanding.
M is million...and the nimber more than likely is expressed wrong.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billón#El_bill.C3.B3n_anglosaj....
The asker is referring to a text in English, btw. I reckon it is 31 billion i.e. 31 mil millones.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/how-many-is-a-billion
"In British English, a billion used to be equivalent to a million million (i.e. 1,000,000,000,000), while in American English it has always equated to a thousand million (i.e. 1,000,000,000). British English has now adopted the American figure, though, so that a billion equals a thousand million in both varieties of English."