Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

schiste carton

English translation:

paper shale

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Jan 25, 2012 15:40
12 yrs ago
French term

schiste carton

French to English Science Geology
From a description of the soil type in a vineyard in the Jura, France :

Marnes calcaires du lias, schistes cartons riches en argiles gonflantes.

From a description I've read it would seem to correspond to "flakey shale", but I can't find confirmation of this idea.

Thanks for you help.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +3 paper shale
2 foliated schist

Discussion

Cleartrans Jan 26, 2012:
In this context, the English shale is translated as schiste in French (and vice versa) because: "Que le schiste soit de nature métamorphique (en anglais «schist») ou de nature sédimentaire et argileuse (en anglais «shale»), il s'agit quand même de schiste, et le terme «shale» reste en français un emprunt inutile." (Termium Plus)

Also note that the source text mentions 'riches en argiles'.
chris collister Jan 26, 2012:
The last word, from the eminent Prof. D. Mattey? As the name suggests a paper shale is one that splits into paper-thin layers. Normal shale splits easily but into thicker layers, typically > 1-2mm. Shale is clay that has been compressed by burial such that the tabular 'clay minerals' (a bona fide name given to a large family of silicates with sheet structures like mica) become aligned normal to the axis of compression, causing planes of weakness. Paper shale presumably has a higher content of clay minerals, or larger flakes. Schist is shale compressed and heated so new minerals form such as mica, giving the rock a silvery appearance, the layers become distorted and folded as well, not planar. Paper schist is the same as above, but quite rare (to me). Paper shales are fairly common.
Foliation means planar layers formed by growth of new minerals created by heat/pressure and is the defining feature of a schist but not normally applied to shale. Paper means thin layers and is not normally a term associated with schist. If it were a thinly foliated schist it should properly be called paper foliation. Structural geologists bandy foliation around and apply it to any rock that splits into layers, but this is incorrect
Cleartrans Jan 25, 2012:
Nigel Wheatley Jan 25, 2012:
btw Welcome to KudoZ, Caroline!

Proposed translations

+3
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paper shale

Peer comment(s):

agree Guy Bray : Or laminated shale (see Termium)
15 mins
Thank you Guy.
agree Subbanna
36 mins
Thank you Subbanna.
agree Nigel Wheatley : agree with Guy's suggestion as well: laminated shale is probably the more commonly used term, but both are correct.
53 mins
Thanks Nigel.
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12 mins

foliated schist

My "Dictionnaire des sciences de la Terre" says "Paper schist", but I don't believe it. See instead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schist for various types.
I suspect "schist" and "shale" are interchangeable

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Note added at 43 mins (2012-01-25 16:23:45 GMT)
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paper shale
A Dictionary of Earth Sciences | 1999 | AILSA ALLABY and MICHAEL ALLABY | 178 words | Copyright

paper shale A dark grey to black shale composed of thin, parallel laminae that tend to separate on weathering into tough, slightly flexible sheets reminiscent of sheets of paper.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Cleartrans : Wouldn't that be 'schiste feuilleté', Chris?
25 mins
Could well be. See additional note above.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

paper shales

When it is complete, bituminous black paper shales (= 'Schistes-carton') occur at the base. (Maurice Tucker, Nature 1990 Google Books)


There, Toarcian shales ("schistes carton") had been exposed by excavations for a shopping centre (the locality is now covered by a car park). The finely bedded blue-grey shales are locally known as the "Marne de Flize".
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