Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Hebrew term or phrase:
פוטופ
English translation:
Potop (a surname of an individual)
Added to glossary by
Mary Jane Shubow
Aug 28, 2012 18:37
11 yrs ago
Hebrew term
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פוטופ
Hebrew to English
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Names (personal, company)
Ukrainian name?
Wider context --
כניסתם החופשית לכפר בליווי יריות והעובדה שבאו אל האוקראיני פוטופ שימשו הוכחה, שהם שוטרים
Does anyone know how this should be transliterated into English?
Thanks!
כניסתם החופשית לכפר בליווי יריות והעובדה שבאו אל האוקראיני פוטופ שימשו הוכחה, שהם שוטרים
Does anyone know how this should be transliterated into English?
Thanks!
Proposed translations
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| 3 | Potop (a surname of an individual) |
Textpertise
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| 3 | Deluge (Potop) |
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Potop (a surname of an individual)
Somebody called Potop is most likely. The words כשנכנסו אליו in your passage clearly indicate that this is an individual. For evidence that this was a surname that existed in the Ukraine, see
http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertr...
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Note added at 4 days (2012-09-02 10:36:47 GMT)
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Glad to have helped.
http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertr...
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Note added at 4 days (2012-09-02 10:36:47 GMT)
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Glad to have helped.
Note from asker:
| Thanks Textpertise. From my reading it is clear that a name is required and I assumed it was a name, when I could not find it and Ty could not find it, I tried to work with his suggestion. Knowing that is is a surname and knowing how to write it solves my problem. |
| Thanks! |
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Comment: "Thanks!"
1 hr
Deluge (Potop)
I can't find this as a Ukrainian name, but it is a Slavic word for "deluge", first used to describe the Swedish/Russian invasion of Poland ( http://www.knowledgewiki.org/article/Deluge_(history)?enk=xq... ) but it's also possible they are using it here to describe an influx of Ukrainians.
The only question I'm left with is - shouldn't it be "אל הפוטופ האוקראיני".
Does this make sense in your context? Has there been some kind of influx of Ukrainians to somewhere?
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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-08-28 21:21:55 GMT)
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It's tricky I agree, I really can't decide on this one, textpertise may have a point and it indeed may refer to a person, that might explain a few things. Maybe something further on or earlier on [in your text] might help you decide on this.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-08-28 21:41:10 GMT)
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Characters and Referencing
It's probably because it's so late but the reason I'm having trouble with it is because I'm finding the referencing quite hard to unravel.
When it says "כשנכנסו אליו", I thought it was referring to the "איכר ביאראמלה", although for all I know his name could have been "Potop".
The only question I'm left with is - shouldn't it be "אל הפוטופ האוקראיני".
Does this make sense in your context? Has there been some kind of influx of Ukrainians to somewhere?
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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-08-28 21:21:55 GMT)
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It's tricky I agree, I really can't decide on this one, textpertise may have a point and it indeed may refer to a person, that might explain a few things. Maybe something further on or earlier on [in your text] might help you decide on this.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-08-28 21:41:10 GMT)
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Characters and Referencing
It's probably because it's so late but the reason I'm having trouble with it is because I'm finding the referencing quite hard to unravel.
When it says "כשנכנסו אליו", I thought it was referring to the "איכר ביאראמלה", although for all I know his name could have been "Potop".
Reference:
Note from asker:
| This may be it but it's hard to work it into the sentence the way it's written. More surrounding sentences are: ״רבותי, היום הייתי בכפר פשבראז׳ה, וגיסי מיאראמלה סיפר לי בסוד, שישנם פארטיזאנים בסביבה, ׳׳פארטיזאנים עם נשק. בשבוע שעבר היו אצל שומר־יער בביתו, לקחו ממנו רובה חצי־אוטומאטי והזהירו אותו, כי לא יעז לעשות כל רע ליהודים הנמצאים ביער. אתמול בשעה ארבע אחר־הצהריים באו לאיכר ביאראמלה. הם הגיעו על שתי עגלות. נשמעו יריות וכולם היו סבורים, שבאו גרמנים ושוטרים, משום שאלה היו לבושים במדים. חלקם דיברו אוקראינית וחלקם גרמנית. כניסתם החופשית לכפר בליווי יריות והעובדה שבאו אל האוקראיני פוטופ שימשו הוכחה, שהם שוטרים. כשנכנסו אליו היתה שאלתם הראשונה אם אין אצלו יהודים. הם הציגו את עצמם כשוטרים מהמחוז ואמרו, כי מסרו להם, שמסתתרים אצלו יהודים I think the best I can do to work this in is to say "... and the fact they came to the Ukrainian like an invasion served as proof that they were policemen." Even though there is no indication in the Hebrew of the word "like," perhaps it is implied. Thanks! |
Discussion
I agree the referencing is not very clear in the passage. I believe that a group partisans arrives at the "איכר ביאראמלה" in two wagons and just as they do so,
נשמעו יריות וכולם היו סבורים, שבאו גרמנים ושוטרים, משום שאלה היו לבושים במדים
They then cite evidence for these uniformed people being police from the fact that they called on the Ukrainian Potop whom they suspect of hiding Jews.
At least that is my reading of the passage.
When it says "כשנכנסו אליו", I thought it was referring to the "לכפר" or possibly the "איכר ביאראמלה", although for all I know his name could have been "Potop".