Daryo Oct 28, 2012:

doesn't change much to my proposed solution: these are all components needed for day-to-day functioning of a business, the only difference now being that these are not "departments" inside one company but a "bundle of outsourced services" offered to clients - other companies. The distinction security vs. safety is still the same (providing security equipment & services [intruder alarms etc] vs. safety equipment & services [fire extinguishers, first aid boxes...]), and operations (logistics?) being the 3-rd element of the bundle. Business logic aside, simply grammatically the ST is about 3 separate elements, not about security or safety of operations. I know of at least one company in London offering exactly that bundle of services.

Tony M Oct 28, 2012:

Aha! But Cyril, that was vital extra context you ought to have given us from the start! 'Operations' can cover so many possibilities, how are we supposed to guess?

Cyril B. (asker) Oct 28, 2012:

nonono it's got nothing to do with business operations in a company or departments of a company. :)
It's all about safety/security: companies providing security/safety services.
'operations' here = runnning security operations or safety operations. Like surveillance or maintaining a security system or...

The full expression is "the security, safety and operations market".
I went with 'le marché de la sûreté-sécurité' because 'opérations' was basically impossible to include without ending up with a zillion-word name including a brazillion articles.

something like: 'marché de la sécurité, de la sûreté, et des opérations de sûreté ou sécurité'. Not too sexy :)

Daryo Oct 28, 2012:

The 3 terms need to be rendered separately and with equal weight - totally agree on that.
From how these terms are used, I understand them as:
- security: threats to the business like intruders - in person or hacking into IT systems, potential vandals / industrial spies etc...
- safety: hazards / threats to the well-being of persons on site like slippery floors, nasty chemicals, too hot / too cold, falling ceilings, too much noise, flashing lights, cutting edge on papers, accidents due to lack of training/being overworked etc.
- operations: to keep the business going from one day to another like avoiding stoppages from lack of raw materials, optimum use of production capacities and similar.

I see a logic of bundling these 3 components together in them being necessary to the continuing day-to-day functioning of a business (as opposed to a long-term perspective where requirements are different).

Germaine Oct 28, 2012:

I totally agree with Tony.

Tony M Oct 28, 2012:

Imagine... That this term was applied to the various section heads within a company: the Security Manager, the Safety Manager, the Operations Manager — i.e. collectively, the security, safety, and operations managers.

I really feel the 3 terms need to be rendered separately and with equal weight, unless we have more specific context that indicates to the contrary.

Patrice Da Lage Oct 28, 2012:

@ Tony Oui, Tony, cela voudrait dire "operational security and safety" Je confirme la proposition de Germaine "sécurité et sûreté en exploitation" voire "en opérations" si on veut vraiment utiliser ce terme.

Daniele O NEILL Oct 28, 2012:

Je sserais plutôt de l'avis de Cyril. "Sûreté et sécurité opérationnelles" traduit bien le sens des 3 mots.

Daniele O NEILL Oct 28, 2012:

Je sserais plutôt de l'avis de Cyril. "Sûreté et sécurité opérationnelles" traduit bien le sens des 3 mots.

Patrice Da Lage Oct 28, 2012:

"exploitation" Il vaut mieux utiliser "exploitation que l'anglicisme "opérations". La note de Germaine est pertinente.

Tony M Oct 28, 2012:

@ Cyril "I'm leaning toward 'sécurité et sûreté opérationnelles'"

But surely that would properly translate 'operational security and safety'? I think in your source text (even though we don't know what the overall context is?) the 'operations' is a separate item, not a qualifier.

Germaine Oct 28, 2012:

But then, you only cover (and qualify) 2 of the 3 items. What about "sécurité, sûreté et exploitation"?

Cyril B. (asker) Oct 28, 2012:

I'm leaning toward 'sécurité et sûreté opérationnelles'

Tony M Oct 28, 2012:

2 out of 3 I've often come across 'sûrété et sécurité' together like this, but not so far associated with 'operations' ('exploitation'?)