Glossary entry (derived from question below)
español term or phrase:
hermano nodriza
inglés translation:
nursing monk/brother
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AllegroTrans
Jan 3, 2013 15:49
11 yrs ago
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español term
hermano nodriza
español al inglés
Arte/Literatura
Religión
Cierto día, durante el rezo, escuché entre los cantos una tos infantil y cavernosa que me sobresaltó.......Miré afanosa-mente en dirección a la zona desde la que, bajo la atenta mirada del pacientísimo hermano nodriza, los pueri oblati seguían la liturgia entre bostezos
This is from a book set around 1000 years ago in a monastery.
Nodrizo seems to be like a wet nurse, but given that it is talking about a monk, I need a better option!
Thanks
This is from a book set around 1000 years ago in a monastery.
Nodrizo seems to be like a wet nurse, but given that it is talking about a monk, I need a better option!
Thanks
Proposed translations
(inglés)
3 +5 | nursing monk/brother | AllegroTrans |
4 | teaching monk / brother | Charles Davis |
References
Pueri oblati | María Perales |
Change log
Jan 8, 2013 14:44: AllegroTrans Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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nursing monk/brother
Admittedly my reference is not from Catholic Christian tradition, but it strikes me that thus buddhist monk had a very similar role to play in the monsatery:
Dōkyō - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
After serving as a nursing monk, in 761 he cured the illness of the then Empress Kōken (later Empress Shotoku). This earned him her political support.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dōkyō - Cached
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Dōkyō - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
After serving as a nursing monk, in 761 he cured the illness of the then Empress Kōken (later Empress Shotoku). This earned him her political support.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dōkyō - Cached
More results from en.wikipedia.org »
Note from asker:
I think that nursing monk is the most suitable, thanks!! |
Peer comment(s):
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Charles Davis
: It seems that this is what it's referring to
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thanks Charles
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Helena Chavarria
: http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/19/Nursing.html
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thanks Helena
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Yvonne Gallagher
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thanks G2
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marcelciencia
1 día 4 minutos
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thanks marcel
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Mohamed Gamal
3 días 15 horas
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
1 hora
teaching monk / brother
Not an exact translation of the source term, but the only English expression I have found applied to this precise situation. I think you could probably use "teaching brother", which is a fairly standard modern term, as an alternative. I have not found any evidence that this figure was called anything to do with "nurse" or "nursing".
Once they became novices they were under the care of a novice-master, but the pueri oblati were not yet novices.
"The seven-year-old "child oblates" (pueri oblati) had to submit to strict discipline at a very early age. They were under the permanent control of a teaching monk. For example, they had to sit apart from each other and were not allowed to talk or communicate with one another, let alone touch each other. The teaching monk was always present, even when the boys were washing or going to the toilet. This training and discipline lasted until the age of 15, and then came the noviciate" (p. 34)
There is a pdf of this but it refused to open for me.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GE6Ut_I...
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-01-03 17:31:18 GMT)
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In that case, if this "hermano nodriza" is the same as the "hermano enfermero" you mentioned to María, he could be called a "nursing monk" or "nursing brother". This figure certainly exists today:
"1968, Brother Sean was ordained a Catholic Nursing Monk where he gave 8 years of his life in service to the sick and dying."
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/barefootfranciscan-bradley-mulli...
Once they became novices they were under the care of a novice-master, but the pueri oblati were not yet novices.
"The seven-year-old "child oblates" (pueri oblati) had to submit to strict discipline at a very early age. They were under the permanent control of a teaching monk. For example, they had to sit apart from each other and were not allowed to talk or communicate with one another, let alone touch each other. The teaching monk was always present, even when the boys were washing or going to the toilet. This training and discipline lasted until the age of 15, and then came the noviciate" (p. 34)
There is a pdf of this but it refused to open for me.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GE6Ut_I...
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-01-03 17:31:18 GMT)
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In that case, if this "hermano nodriza" is the same as the "hermano enfermero" you mentioned to María, he could be called a "nursing monk" or "nursing brother". This figure certainly exists today:
"1968, Brother Sean was ordained a Catholic Nursing Monk where he gave 8 years of his life in service to the sick and dying."
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/barefootfranciscan-bradley-mulli...
Note from asker:
Hi Charles, thanks for your very in-depth explanation, but the more I translate, the more this role has to do with nursing and preparing medications rather than teaching. |
Reference comments
19 minutos
Reference:
Pueri oblati
Por el contexto parece que hablan del monje que se dedicaba a cuidar/enseñar a los niños del convento (pueri oblati). Sería cuestión de buscar como se llama esta figura en inglés.
De wet nurse aquí nada de nada!! :-)
¡Suerte!
De wet nurse aquí nada de nada!! :-)
¡Suerte!
Note from asker:
Thanks María The same person has also been referred to as hermano enfermero, so maybe soemthing along the lines of "nurse monk", although I´m sure there is a more correct term. I´ll keep looking! |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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AllegroTrans
2 horas
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agree |
Mohamed Gamal
3 días 16 horas
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