Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

Wij werken volledig digitaal

English translation:

We have a fully paperless office

Added to glossary by Katie Van Keijenberg
Apr 4, 2013 13:18
11 yrs ago
Dutch term

Wij werken volledig digitaal

Non-PRO Dutch to English Bus/Financial Business/Commerce (general)
Ik moet een vertaling Nederlands-Engels reviseren.

De vertaler heeft "wij werken volledig digitaal" vertaald door "we work completely digitally", wat me tegen de borst stuit. Maar ik vind geen beter alternatief?
References
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Change log

Apr 4, 2013 14:29: writeaway changed "Field" from "Marketing" to "Bus/Financial" , "Field (specific)" from "Advertising / Public Relations" to "Business/Commerce (general)"

Apr 5, 2013 20:08: sindy cremer changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

PRO (3): Barend van Zadelhoff, freekfluweel, Johan Venter

Non-PRO (3): CJG (X), Buck, sindy cremer

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Discussion

Andrew Howitt Apr 8, 2013:
In the instance of the actual sentence in the question, the word has to be 'digitally' and NOT digital, unless you reconstruct the sentence. The word 'digitaal' qualifies the verb 'werken' and is thus an adverb. i.e. digitally.
Michael Beijer Apr 8, 2013:
re: 'paperless' and 'digitaal werken' see e.g.: https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=...
Michael Beijer Apr 8, 2013:
@Terry: You write, 'Why use anything BUT the word digital? If it is digitaal in the original Dutch doc it has to be digital in English.'

When a Dutch person says that all the stuff in their company/office is 'digitaal', they are using the term loosely. They mean electronically. They mean things like email, Outlook calendars, cloud storage etc. The 'e' in 'email' comes from 'Electronic', not 'Digital'.
Terry Costin Apr 7, 2013:
Latin to... http://public.oed.com/aspects-of-english/word-stories/digita...

As well as becoming more widespread, as digital has gained greater significance, so senses with a looser meaning have begun to emerge. Terms such as digital art, digital economy, and digital money are now covered in the revised entry, along with a more general sense: ‘involving or relating to digital or computer technology, esp. the Internet’. Similarly, another new sense—‘designating a virtual, computer-mediated counterpart of an object that exists in the real world’—covers such entities as digital negatives, digital shopping carts, and digital ink. Whole organizations or countries can now be described as digital, when they are seen to adopt or embrace computer technology or the Internet. The OED itself has been cited as an example of this:

1984 N. Y. Mag. 15 Oct. 25/2 The Oxford English Dictionary is going digital. A $10-million, two-year project is now under way to convert the authoritative lexicon into bits and bytes.
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Our office is fully digital
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Why use anything BUT the word digital? If it is digitaal in the original Dutch doc it has to be digital in English.
Alexander Schleber (X) Apr 4, 2013:
To Howard: digitize / digitalize Oxford seems to agree with you, but on both UK and USA Google, both terms are used almost equally as much. Is this just a very common error because of "digital"?? Or is there a UK/USA difference in usage?
freekfluweel Apr 4, 2013:
"We don’t have messy charts and folders behind the counter because we run a fully computerized paperless office."

http://www.premierdental.us/html/waiting_room_1.html

Maar waarom wil cliënt dit vermeld hebben, er zijn toch nauwelijks papieren kantoren meer? Of wil cliënt hiermee aangeven dat zijn kantoor gekoppeld is aan bestanden van banken/gemeentes/kredietinstellingen/justitie etc.? Dan zou ik kiezen voor iets als: direct gekoppeld, met toegang tot xxx-bestanden van officiële instanties, etc.
Andrew Howitt Apr 4, 2013:
To Alexander: the word is digitize not digitalize.
freekfluweel Apr 4, 2013:
we byte the debts to bits! ;-)

we collect each and every bit
CJG (X) Apr 4, 2013:
It just means the operation is fully computerised.
Katie Van Keijenberg (asker) Apr 4, 2013:
Debt collection Debt collection
DianeGM Apr 4, 2013:
More context available? What work does the company/organisation do?

Proposed translations

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17 mins
Selected

We have a fully paperless office

I think that this sounds more idiomatic than 'fully electronically', which is probably what the author meant by 'digitaal' and is a more literal translation.
I agree that 'completely digitally' sounds wrong. It makes me think of digits as in fingers, or a digital watch, whereas in Dutch 'digitaal' has a wider meaning.
In Dutch it doesn't sound wrong for instance to say 'een digitaal marketing plan', whereas in English, you wouldn't say 'a digital marketing plan', you'd say 'an e-marketing strategy'.


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Note added at 18 mins (2013-04-04 13:37:09 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperless_office
A paperless office is a work environment in which the use of paper is eliminated or greatly reduced. This is done by converting documents and other papers into digital form.
Peer comment(s):

agree Michael Beijer : not so sure the stress should be only on the fact that it is paperless / upon second thought I think I agree with you, although I do think that 'fully electronically' sounds fine in English
9 mins
I'm not so sure it should be on anything else to be fair Michael. I don't think that having automated systems is the same as working 'digitaal'. It's one thing to send an e-mail rather than a letter and quite another to automate your e-mail sending.
agree Barend van Zadelhoff : I also think that they mean 'electronically' by 'digitaal'. If so, then I would opt for 'fully electronically'. However, should they mean by 'digitaal' working with documents in digital form (your added reference) then paperless office is a nice solution
2 days 6 hrs
thanks
disagree Terry Costin : do not think anyone will use this in Britain, America, Australia or Canada, etc
2 days 20 hrs
googling it would provide plenty of evidence to the contrary
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
4 mins

all our working processes have been digitalized

A different version, but somewhat longer.
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21 mins

all our internal processes have been fully automated

another option.

or: all our working processes have been fully automated
Example sentence:

Most of the steps have been fully automated, ensuring the highest industry standards.

Today we are very dependent on IT; all of our internal processes have been fully automated specially for the core business like case management, family attestation and notary services.

Peer comment(s):

neutral Johan Venter : You're assuming a lot here. Digitaal does not necessarily mean that it is automated, and I did not see any reference to internal processes
11 mins
I agree and withdraw this answer.
neutral writeaway : agree with Johan. This is picking up the ball and running too far with it. Over-translation.
35 mins
See above.
disagree Terry Costin : I would say as politely as possible, no way. This is copywriting
2 days 20 hrs
automation of processes MIGHT actually be what they mean (especially since it is a debt collection agency), but without being sure I would keep it more general and just stick with 'electronically'
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59 mins

We operate completely digitally

What it says on the tin...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Terry Costin : but fully would be my choice as it IS the word most used, and all of these long sentences and terms are not: fully digital... and BASTA
2 days 20 hrs
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1 hr

We work fully digitized

My bet goes to working or operating or being fully digitized.
Zoek op google naar "fully digitized" voor voorbeelden.
Peer comment(s):

agree Verginia Ophof : agree : we are fully digitized/automated
34 mins
Bedankt.
neutral writeaway : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/digitized
3 hrs
Good reference!
neutral Terry Costin : we are fully digital
2 days 20 hrs
disagree Andrew Howitt : You cannot operate 'digitized'. It is gramatically incorrect. You need to have an adverb to qualify the verb and not an adjective or a past participle.
2 days 23 hrs
Okay: all our work is fully digitized.
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1 hr

we operate completely electronically

I think this might be better than my first answer.

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-04-04 14:58:47 GMT)
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see also: https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1476&bih=...
Example sentence:

Medpeds Associates of Sarasota was one of the first medical offices in Sarasota to operate completely electronically.

As the first joint Standards committee to operate completely electronically, I commended how EL-002 committee members use technology to streamline their processes and said you now have just two 2-day meetings each year.

Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : as you said in a peer comment to someone who already suggested this, it doesn't really work in English . changing fully to completely does not a new answer make imo /google "we operate completely electronically" and count the ghits
9 mins
I beg to differ; I think it does work in English. Just Google "operate completely electronically"
agree Barend van Zadelhoff : I think they mean they have automated their processes. If so, 'electronically' would be the right word in English. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronics // http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital
2 days 5 hrs
Thanks, Barend!
disagree Terry Costin : If digital originates from Latin, and was first used in English, how come then if it is translated as Digitaal in Dutch when reversed it becomes something far less specific and to the point and not used that way in English when meaning what it does here?
2 days 19 hrs
Terry, all they mean is that they do everything electronically (rather than with paper, pens, and actual physical filing cabinets) in their office. In everyday English you wouldn't really use the word 'digitally' in an office, but rather 'electronically'.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

fwiw

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International journal of computerized dentistry | ResearchGate
www.researchgate.net/.../1463-4201_International_journal_of...
Publisher International Society of Computerized Dentistry, Quintessence .... Article: Quality assurance in digital dental radiography--justification and dose ..

Does your airport have a digital/computerized flight display ...
www.skyscrapercity.com › ... › Airports and Aviation
34 posts - 18 authors - 29 Dec 2005
Does your city's airport have a digital/computerized flight display screen? Those screen that shows which airlines are departing or arriving
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