May 7, 2014 14:51
10 yrs ago
French term
Tunisia
déduites
French to English
Science
Chemistry; Chem Sci/Eng
HPLC en phase inverse
Hello,
"Ces séquences sont respectivement déduites des séquences nucléotidiques des gènes (...,...,...) représentés respectivement par les séquences SEQ ID No.7, etc."
deduced from, derived from?
Thank you.
"Ces séquences sont respectivement déduites des séquences nucléotidiques des gènes (...,...,...) représentés respectivement par les séquences SEQ ID No.7, etc."
deduced from, derived from?
Thank you.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +2 | deduced |
Daryo
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| 3 | deducted |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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References
| Deduced in this context |
Anca Florescu-Mitchell
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Proposed translations
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deduced
High-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC; formerly referred to as high-pressure liquid chromatography), is a technique in analytic chemistry used to separate the components in a mixture, to identify each component, and to quantify each component.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-performance_liquid_chromat...]
i.e. it's about using a set of data to reach conclusions, as in:
"deduce
Line breaks: de¦duce
Pronunciation: /dɪˈdjuːs /
VERB
[WITH OBJECT]
1Arrive at (a fact or a conclusion) by reasoning; draw as a logical conclusion:
little can be safely deduced from these figures
[WITH CLAUSE]: they deduced that the fish died because of water pollution"
[http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/deduce]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-performance_liquid_chromat...]
i.e. it's about using a set of data to reach conclusions, as in:
"deduce
Line breaks: de¦duce
Pronunciation: /dɪˈdjuːs /
VERB
[WITH OBJECT]
1Arrive at (a fact or a conclusion) by reasoning; draw as a logical conclusion:
little can be safely deduced from these figures
[WITH CLAUSE]: they deduced that the fish died because of water pollution"
[http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/deduce]
Note from asker:
| Thank you |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you :)"
15 hrs
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in English
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
Related KudoZ points
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12
deducted
From the further context provided, I read "déduire" as "to deduct" as in to subtract, to take away from. I do not read it in the figurative sense of arriving at a particular conclusion.
http://books.google.fr/books?id=KdgncoLtUfYC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA5...
The above sources descrbies how one amino sequences can be described as being deducted from other sequence, for example.
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http://books.google.fr/books?id=nnGhc44bypAC&pg=PA431&lpg=PA...
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14976983
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1220154/
http://www.pnas.org/content/83/20/7693.full.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1016/0307-4412(81)9004...
(page 7)
These references provides evidence in support of the use of "deduce" meaning to "reduce" or "take away from".
From the more complete context, we now have :
"Les séquences peptidiques des peptides RumC1 , RumC2 et RumC3 de Ruminococcus gnavus E1 sont respectivement représentées par les séquences SEQ ID No. 4, SEQ ID No. 5 et SEQ ID No. 6. Ces séquences sont respectivement déduites des séquences nucléotidiques des gènes (...,...,...) représentés respectivement par les séquences SEQ ID No.7, etc."
As the original text of the post started with "ces séquences", it seemed important to find out what had gone before, as the sentence posted was clearly refering to something about which we had no information. It seems pretty clear now that the first set out sequences are taken away from "deducted from" the nucleotide sequences of the genes XYZ represented by the sequences ABC.
It boils down to taking one sequence away from another and has nothing at all to do with deducing in the sense of arriving at a conclusion. In one of my references abouve, the term "deduce" is used in two parts of the text, each time with a different meaning. "déduire" can mean "to deduce" or "to deduct" and here it is the former. Complete context from the start would have helped, but the "ces séquences" was a strong indicator we needed more!
I ought to have put 4/5 for confidence level as I think there is no doubt as to meaning now we have better context. ;-)
http://books.google.fr/books?id=KdgncoLtUfYC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA5...
The above sources descrbies how one amino sequences can be described as being deducted from other sequence, for example.
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Note added at 15 hrs (2014-05-08 06:38:19 GMT)
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http://books.google.fr/books?id=nnGhc44bypAC&pg=PA431&lpg=PA...
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Note added at 15 hrs (2014-05-08 06:39:43 GMT)
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14976983
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Note added at 16 hrs (2014-05-08 06:58:52 GMT)
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1220154/
http://www.pnas.org/content/83/20/7693.full.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1016/0307-4412(81)9004...
(page 7)
These references provides evidence in support of the use of "deduce" meaning to "reduce" or "take away from".
From the more complete context, we now have :
"Les séquences peptidiques des peptides RumC1 , RumC2 et RumC3 de Ruminococcus gnavus E1 sont respectivement représentées par les séquences SEQ ID No. 4, SEQ ID No. 5 et SEQ ID No. 6. Ces séquences sont respectivement déduites des séquences nucléotidiques des gènes (...,...,...) représentés respectivement par les séquences SEQ ID No.7, etc."
As the original text of the post started with "ces séquences", it seemed important to find out what had gone before, as the sentence posted was clearly refering to something about which we had no information. It seems pretty clear now that the first set out sequences are taken away from "deducted from" the nucleotide sequences of the genes XYZ represented by the sequences ABC.
It boils down to taking one sequence away from another and has nothing at all to do with deducing in the sense of arriving at a conclusion. In one of my references abouve, the term "deduce" is used in two parts of the text, each time with a different meaning. "déduire" can mean "to deduce" or "to deduct" and here it is the former. Complete context from the start would have helped, but the "ces séquences" was a strong indicator we needed more!
I ought to have put 4/5 for confidence level as I think there is no doubt as to meaning now we have better context. ;-)
Peer comment(s):
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Germaine
: C'est le premier aspect que j'ai exploré aussi (déduire = soustraire), mais je ne suis pas arrivée à trouver une illustration qui me convainque. Par ailleurs, n'aurait-on pas utilisé "extraites" (ou même soustraites) pour éviter toute confusion?
2 days 9 hrs
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Reference comments
3 hrs
Anca Florescu-Mitchell
France
France
Native in French
&
English
Specializes in field
France
Fast and accurate technical translations
Native in: French 
, English
Works in: French to English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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Reference:
Deduced in this context
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| neutral |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: The French original is from the verb "déduire" but meaning "to deduct" not "to deduce". A correct rendering of the French original requires the use of "deduct" to describe one sequence as having been "deducted" from another.
12 hrs
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My understanding is consistent with this type of "deduction": http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO200...
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Daryo
: yes - use logical reasoning to get to the conclusions
2 days 18 hrs
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Discussion
As they are not, what is relevant is the specific ST. Which is about using the HPLC method (context: ... HPLC en phase inverse) to get data to be used as starting point for a reasoning by deduction leading to establishing some gene sequence.
https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q="sequences are ...
comparativement à deduce (7 hits):
https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q="sequences are ...
Peut-être qu'un peu plus de contexte, comme le suggère Nikki, aiderait à choisir...
CAB-IB and CAB-3C sequences are deduced from the nucleotide sequences of the corresponding genes
https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q="sequences are ...
Inferred (1 hit)
The Heterodontus sequences are inferred from the nucleotide sequences shown in Fig. 1...
https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q="sequences are ...
Derived (2 hits)
most of the known amino acid sequences are derived from the nucleotide sequences of interferon genes.
https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q="sequences are ...
Je choisirais aussi "derive", mais je ne saurais dire pourquoi. Il me semble que lorsque les données sont extraites (je tiens pour acquis que "déduites" ne veut pas dire "soustraites") d'autres données, on dit "derive".