Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
suplente numérico
English translation:
general / non-specific alternate
Added to glossary by
Charles Davis
Mar 30, 2015 16:54
9 yrs ago
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Spanish term
suplente numérico
Spanish to English
Bus/Financial
Management
Articles of incorporation
La junta directiva se compone de tres miembros principales y tres suplentes elegidos por un periodo de un año.
Los suplentes serán numéricos, pero sólo podrán reemplazar a principales elegidos en la misma lista.
¿A qué se refieren con numérico y qué significa?
De antemano, mil gracias por cualquier sugerencia o ayuda con este término.
Los suplentes serán numéricos, pero sólo podrán reemplazar a principales elegidos en la misma lista.
¿A qué se refieren con numérico y qué significa?
De antemano, mil gracias por cualquier sugerencia o ayuda con este término.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +2 | general / non-specific alternate | Charles Davis |
3 | voted-in substitute | David Hollywood |
References
Definición | Andy Watkinson |
Change log
Apr 13, 2015 07:34: Charles Davis Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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general / non-specific alternate
Acknowledgements to Andy for doing the "heavy lifting" here. I'm relying on fthe definition he's posted. And he's absolutely right about sustitutos being called alternates in this context.
This distinction seems to exist in Scandinavian countries, where the terms "personal alternate" and "non-personal alternate" can be found, as for example in this document from Norway:
"The employee representatives on the Board of Directors have the following alternate members: Jon E. Kristiansen (personal alternate member for Mr. Nilsen), Silje Johnsen (personal alternate member for Ms. Kristiansen), [...] In addition, Lena B. Lorentzon and Gaute Ytterstad are non-personal alternate employee representatives to the Board of Directors."
http://www.recgroup.com/PageFiles/3126/Laantakerbeskrivelse ...
I think this is a viable option, but of course it's a translated document, and it would be nice to find an original EN use of the term. I can't find one, though I wouldn't rule it out.
The term I've found most often is "general alternate". Here are a couple of examples:
"Vacancies. Any vacancy or vacancies except the president's, in the Board of Trustees, whether caused by death, resignation or removal will be filled with the first, second or third general alternates in that order [...]"
http://www.jerseywatch.com/uploads/team_documents/Bylaws_-_M...
"F. Executive Committee
[...]
2. Three general alternates to the executive committee shall be elected annually by the board of trustees."
http://www.dordt.edu/publications/faculty_handbook/faculty_h...
"Members chosen by the Students’ Representative Council
[...]
Ten students (of which three must be graduate students), and up to ten specific or general alternates"
http://www.rcips.uct.ac.za/sites/default/files/image_tool/im...
However, in your context, I think "the alternates will be general" would sound odd and might not be understood. I would suggest calling them "non-specific" in this case. As my last reference (from South Africa) shows, personal alternates are sometimes called specific alternates. Well, there can also be non-specific ones.
I have a source for this, but only one: the rules of the Democratic Party of the State of Maine (1984):
"Each municipal caucus shall elect a specific alternate of the same sex for each delegate [...]
3. Should a delegate fail to attend the State Convention, his or her specific alternate shall act as a delegate. Should both a delegate and his or her specific alternate fail to attend the State Convention, and available alternate of the same preference shall be selected to act as delegate. If no alternate of the same preference from the same municipality is present, any available alternate from the municipality shall be chosen. Such choices of non-specific alternates shall be made in the order in which the altenates’ names appear on that municipality’s official list."
http://maineanencyclopedia.com/democratic-party-rules-1984/
There may be another term I haven't thought of, but it doesn't seem to be a distinction commonly made in English.
This distinction seems to exist in Scandinavian countries, where the terms "personal alternate" and "non-personal alternate" can be found, as for example in this document from Norway:
"The employee representatives on the Board of Directors have the following alternate members: Jon E. Kristiansen (personal alternate member for Mr. Nilsen), Silje Johnsen (personal alternate member for Ms. Kristiansen), [...] In addition, Lena B. Lorentzon and Gaute Ytterstad are non-personal alternate employee representatives to the Board of Directors."
http://www.recgroup.com/PageFiles/3126/Laantakerbeskrivelse ...
I think this is a viable option, but of course it's a translated document, and it would be nice to find an original EN use of the term. I can't find one, though I wouldn't rule it out.
The term I've found most often is "general alternate". Here are a couple of examples:
"Vacancies. Any vacancy or vacancies except the president's, in the Board of Trustees, whether caused by death, resignation or removal will be filled with the first, second or third general alternates in that order [...]"
http://www.jerseywatch.com/uploads/team_documents/Bylaws_-_M...
"F. Executive Committee
[...]
2. Three general alternates to the executive committee shall be elected annually by the board of trustees."
http://www.dordt.edu/publications/faculty_handbook/faculty_h...
"Members chosen by the Students’ Representative Council
[...]
Ten students (of which three must be graduate students), and up to ten specific or general alternates"
http://www.rcips.uct.ac.za/sites/default/files/image_tool/im...
However, in your context, I think "the alternates will be general" would sound odd and might not be understood. I would suggest calling them "non-specific" in this case. As my last reference (from South Africa) shows, personal alternates are sometimes called specific alternates. Well, there can also be non-specific ones.
I have a source for this, but only one: the rules of the Democratic Party of the State of Maine (1984):
"Each municipal caucus shall elect a specific alternate of the same sex for each delegate [...]
3. Should a delegate fail to attend the State Convention, his or her specific alternate shall act as a delegate. Should both a delegate and his or her specific alternate fail to attend the State Convention, and available alternate of the same preference shall be selected to act as delegate. If no alternate of the same preference from the same municipality is present, any available alternate from the municipality shall be chosen. Such choices of non-specific alternates shall be made in the order in which the altenates’ names appear on that municipality’s official list."
http://maineanencyclopedia.com/democratic-party-rules-1984/
There may be another term I haven't thought of, but it doesn't seem to be a distinction commonly made in English.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Andy Watkinson
: Seems to be a more than valid option given that this would appear to be Colombia-, LatAm specific. Or, as Jessica would say, "Linguee here we come...."
3 hrs
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Thanks, Andy! A joint effort :)
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agree |
Jessica Noyes
: I think you have thought your way through to an excellent proposal.
5 hrs
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Many thanks, Jessica :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
16 mins
voted-in substitute
maybe
Reference comments
6 mins
Reference:
Definición
Se entiende como miembro suplente numérico de una junta directiva de una sociedad, la persona que de acuerdo al cuociente electoral, entra a conformar dicha junta, ocupando el renglón de suplente, teniendo en cuenta únicamente para ello, el número de votos que se hayan depositado para conformar la junta directiva, sin consideración al nombre de la persona que ocupa el renglón principal.
A su vez, se entiende como suplente personal, el miembro que es elegido por cuociente electoral de la misma lista a la cual pertenece el miembro principal, pues en este caso, el nombre del suplente es escogido de antemano para que integre un renglón con una persona determinada en calidad de miembro principal, valga decir, que la suerte del principal va íntimamente ligada con la de su suplente.
http://www.incp.org.co/document/supersociedades-se-pronuncio...
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'fraid I haven't got time to look into it, but think I'd use "alternates" for "suplentes".
Those standing in for board members are generally called "alternates" if I'm not mistaken.
There may very well not be any "equivalent" in English ;-((
A su vez, se entiende como suplente personal, el miembro que es elegido por cuociente electoral de la misma lista a la cual pertenece el miembro principal, pues en este caso, el nombre del suplente es escogido de antemano para que integre un renglón con una persona determinada en calidad de miembro principal, valga decir, que la suerte del principal va íntimamente ligada con la de su suplente.
http://www.incp.org.co/document/supersociedades-se-pronuncio...
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Note added at 52 mins (2015-03-30 17:46:48 GMT)
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'fraid I haven't got time to look into it, but think I'd use "alternates" for "suplentes".
Those standing in for board members are generally called "alternates" if I'm not mistaken.
There may very well not be any "equivalent" in English ;-((
Note from asker:
Hi Andy, thank you so much for the reference. Do you know what these members are called? |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree |
Jessica Noyes
4 mins
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agree |
MPGS
: :-)
18 mins
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agree |
Charles Davis
4 hrs
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