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Clonus agotable

Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

abolido

English translation:

abolished / absent

Added to glossary by Charles Davis
Mar 27, 2016 18:07
8 yrs ago
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Spanish term

abolido en este contexto

Spanish to English Medical Medical (general) Request for a second opinion re lumbalgia
This is the context:

Exploración física general:
Fuerza y sensibilidad conservada en miembros inferiores.
Lasegue bilateral + a 30°.
Reflejos osteotendinsos rotulianos simétrico.
Aquileo izquierdo abolido.
Derecho presente.
Clonus agotable derecho.

Could "abolido" mean "eliminated?"
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 abolished
4 +3 absent
5 ablated
4 removed
Change log

Mar 29, 2016 01:19: Charles Davis changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/55640">Eileen Brophy's</a> old entry - "abolido en este contexto"" to ""abolished""

Discussion

Eileen Brophy (asker) Mar 4, 2017:
No defiling Neil, simply that I don't like people to "argue" it was a family problem when I was a kid and I hated it, and I was simply delighted to see that you had resolved your differences.
Neil Ashby Mar 4, 2017:
Yes sorry Eileen for defiling your question.
No, certainly no hard feelings CD.
Eileen Brophy (asker) Mar 4, 2017:
Well done Neil and Charles, glad to see you have both got over it <3 <3
Sometime stress can cause unnecessary friction. Glad to see it is all over now.
Charles Davis Mar 4, 2017:
@Neil Well, so did I, to be honest. My response was too tetchy. I'm a bit tired and frazzled and I over-reacted. There probably was some truth in what you said. Let's leave it there and move on. No hard feelings on my side, and none on yours I hope.
Neil Ashby Mar 4, 2017:
Sorry Charles, you're right I overstepped the mark, "sooo many times" was a clear exaggeration. I apologise.
Pot kettle black, yes but when I wrote that you'd answered once and failed to see the apparent contradiction.
Charles Davis Mar 3, 2017:
Pot kettle black I've already answered this twice. What do you want, blood?
Eileen Brophy (asker) Mar 3, 2017:
Reposting an answer is not exploiting anyone, it is strengthening/backing up their initial answer, so why be offended about that?
Charles Davis Mar 3, 2017:
No, I'm all for free speech. If that's what you think, by all means say so.

What you said was: "Having said that "within-subject" and "between-subject variable" appears to be more common. I recommend you wait for confirmation/further info from our esteemed colleagues." If that was a change of mind, I think you could have made it a bit clearer, and I think I can be forgiven for not taking it like that, which I genuinely didn't.

I still think you're being completely unfair. I find it offensive not because "the truth hurts" — I don't think it is the truth — but because what you're saying I do all the time is basically exploitative and ultimately immoral. So I aim not to do it and I'm sure I don't do it "all the time". What I do do all the time is add supporting evidence to other people's answers that I agree with, in the discussion or as a reference.

As for me posting answers you've already posted, but with more evidence, I don't have time to check either, but I will say (1) I'm 100% sure that I haven't done this more than very very occasionally, to you or anybody, and (2) Site rules explicitly encourage it, for what that's worth.
Eileen Brophy (asker) Mar 3, 2017:
Sometimes, when I am not exactly sure of which is the precise answer I choose what I think is correct and they leave the final decision to all those who visit the page, is that wrong? It is not being lazy, it is trying to be cautious, because visitors will later visit the site looking for a correct translation of a term, and I do not want to misguide anyone. Maybe I am being too careful? If that is so, then I apologise.
Neil Ashby Mar 3, 2017:
PS If you would like me to delete my comments here then please just say so.
Neil Ashby Mar 3, 2017:
Too busy to find more examples, although I know they exist.
No big deal when it suits you..... if you really find it offensive then I'll remove it.
I added information - the asker had not considered "between variables". My addition was a pretty clear case of " If you had said "hang on, I’ve changed my mind"... but that's my interpretation.

You do it all the time Charles, although you consider it confirming another person's tentative suggestion (possibly in the discussion or when commenting on someone's answer) because they haven't got time to research and you do. I shouldn't grumble, you provide a sin fin of brilliant answers which help a sin fin of askers.... myself included. But, as you've probably figured out by now, I like to grumble.

I certainly wouldn't say plagiarising, that's OTT, usually just furthering and providing evidence of tentative suggestions (as stated above). TBH in my case it's nearly always because I've jumped in half-baked and only get half way to the answer (then really I'm annoyed at myself for not taking the time to do it properly).

Logically! That was part of my peeve, kettle pot black.
Charles Davis Mar 3, 2017:
PPS I must have agreed with "absent" here at the time because I added it to the glossary entry. So my neutral should logically have been an agree, and I've changed it to that.
Charles Davis Mar 3, 2017:
PS But of course I can't remember every question we've both answered, and maybe I've deceiving myself and have been plagiarising you in the past. Can you think of any other examples?
Charles Davis Mar 3, 2017:
Continued It's a completely different matter when there are a number of possible translations, and someone has proposed an answer and given an alternative, and you agree with the alternative. In that case I think the thing to do is post an agree, and that's what I normally do, though lots of people don't, and site policy doesn't require it; quite the opposite, in fact. It's a courtesy, but not a requirement. And before you ask, I don't think my mentioning "absent" in this question is in that category and I don't think my comment on Liz's answer was appropriate, though I also think it was no big deal. Sometimes you post comments you later regret, and when I do I normally remove them. I'd be happy to remove this one. And maybe her answer was better than mine; again, it happens all the time. I answered in good faith, but I'm not infallible. I don't mind you disagreeing with my answer and correcting me, not at all, but I do very much mind you accusing me of regularly and systematically exploiting your answers or anyone else's. It's not true and, as I say, it's offensive.
Charles Davis Mar 3, 2017:
@Neil I wondered whether you might be thinking of that question. It’s the only one I can remember where the issue might have arisen.

The asker basically asked which of two alternatives was preferable, mentioning both in the question. It really had to be one or the other. You answered A. Then you added a note saying that B seems to be common. I was sure it was B. I added references and arguments to support my view.

I didn't take either my answer or my arguments from your answer. After all, the translation I proposed had already been mentioned in the question; you didn't supply it and you didn't actually support it. If you had said "hang on, I’ve changed my mind", as people sometimes do, it would be a different matter. Your answer clearly remained A; the note was just hedging your bets a bit.

I approached it with an open mind, did some research to see whether you were right, and fairly quickly concluded you were wrong. Are you saying that what I should have done was to agree with your answer, which I didn't agree with, simply because it had added "maybe it should be the other one"? If so, I don't agree. It's perfectly legitimate to post another answer in that situation.
Neil Ashby Mar 3, 2017:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/biology_tech_ch...
Luke Mersh Mar 27, 2016:
In my opinion I think that it could be worn.

Proposed translations

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abolished

Believe it or not.

A crucial point here is that "aquileo" does NOT mean the Achilles tendon (which is called the tendón de Aquiles); it means the Achilles reflex, more commonly known as the ankle jerk reflex.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankle_jerk_reflex

So it's saying that the left ankle jerk reflex is absent, and that word could be used, but the technical term is the same as in Spanish: abolished.

"Diseases of the segmental reflex arc abolish tendon reflexes"
https://books.google.fr/books?id=8KxyXXwZHyUC&pg=PA164&lpg=P...

"By the time sensory changes occur in the hands, the ankle jerk reflex is almost always abolished."


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Source for the last reference:
http://www.healio.com/orthopedics/hand-wrist/journals/ortho/...

And on the Spanish expression:

"En L4-L5 “no pueden caminar de talones” por pérdida de fuerza en extensores. No hay abolición de reflejos.
En L5-S1 “no pueden caminar de puntillas” por pérdida de fuerza en flexores. Está abolido el aquíleo."

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"Neuromuscular blockers are used to abolish reflexes to facilitate tracheal intubation, and to provide muscle relaxation as needed for certain types of surgery."
https://books.google.fr/books?id=Y558dgp_PjoC&pg=PA146&lpg=P...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2016-03-27 20:57:14 GMT)
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"abolición
f. Acción y efecto de abolir.
Anulación.
med. Supresión de los movimientos, la sensibilidad, los reflejos, etc."
http://es.thefreedictionary.com/abolición

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Extinguished would also be correct.
Peer comment(s):
agree mónica alfonso
19 mins
Thanks, Mónica :)
agree Robert Carter : Well done Charles, "aquileo" is key here (assuming it should read "aquíleo), and there are plenty of references for "abolished achilles reflex".
7 hrs
Many thanks, Robert :) / PS. You're right, it should be aquíleo, with an accent.
neutral Neil Ashby : Only 6 references for "abolished achilles reflex", so I wouldn't say plenty Robert. "absent" is the correct adjective, "abolish" may be the correct verb.
339 days
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you again Charles for your help <3 <3"
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It's referring to the damaged part of the achilles heel ( aquileo or talón de achiles) which is involved in lumbago as the back pressure pain is tied neurologically to the heel in tendonitis; very painful; hence the damaged part of the ( left, here) achilles heel is surgically removed.


Insertional Achilles Tendinosis Surgery
https://www.aofas.org/.../Insertional-Achilles-Tendinosis-Su...
The main goal of the surgery is to remove the damaged portion of the Achilles tendon and maintain tendon attachment to the heel bone. Sometimes a small ...
Missing: lumbalgia
Achilles Tendinosis Surgery
https://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/.../Achilles-Tendinosis-Sur...
Surgery for insertional Achilles tendinosis is similar. Very often the diseased tissue is removed and then the tendon is repaired back down to the heel bone
Achilles Tendon treatments and surgery
www.cambridgefootandankle.com/achilles-tendon.shtml
The Achilles tendon is the large tendon that joins the calf muscle to the heel ... In removing the bone the attachment of the tendon to the bone may be weakened.
Note from asker:
Thank you Oliver for your help. So my "eliminated" was not too far from the right word then!! :-0))
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ablated

Explanation:
In this context the exact term is "ablated," which does mean removed.

The Effects of Radiofrequency Energy Devices on Achilles ...
faoj.org/.../the-effects-of-radiofrequency-energy-de...
de PP Sundararajan - ‎Artículos relacionados
1 oct. 2012 - A 69 year-old female who was complaining of insertional Achilles tendon pain underwent radiofrequency ablation of the Achilles tendon with a ...
Achilles tendon - Lahey Clinic | Health Info - Radiofrequency ...
https://lahey.org/.../Radiofrequency_Ablation.aspx?...
Radiofrequency ablation uses heat to destroy abnormal tissue. ... The Achilles tendon connects the calf muscle to the heel bone. An achilles tendonopathy is ...

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4 hrs

absent

,,

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Deep Tendon Reflexes - The Precise Neurological Exam
https://informatics.med.nyu.edu/modules/pub/neurosurgery/ref...
The ankle jerk reflex is mediated by the S1 nerve root. ... Weakness on plantar flexion (may be absent); Sensory loss in the lateral foot; Absent ankle jerk reflex.

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Localization in Clinical Neurology - Page 114 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=078179952X
Paul W. Brazis, ‎Joseph C. Masdeu, ‎José Biller - 2007 - ‎Medical
Lesions of the Second Lumbar Segment There is spastic paraparesis but no ... The Achilles reflexes (segments S1-S2) are absent, whereas the patellar reflexes ...

as opposed to "present"

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Clinical and Diagnostic Findings in Patients with Lumbar ...
www.aapsus.org/articles/57.pdf
by A Lee-Robinson - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
In patients presenting with leg pain greater than low back pain, lumbar radiculopathy ... with polyneuropathy are usually present with bilateral relative- ly symmetrical distal .... S1 radiculopathy results in a reduced or absent ankle jerk reflex.
Low Back Pain: Evaluating Presenting Symptoms in Elderly ...
www.medscape.org/viewarticle/567210_4
12 Dec 2007 - Identify causes of low back pain; Inspect and palpate the lower back for .... Sensory abnormality may be present in the perineal area or lower .... Foot, Sciatic, L4-S1, Loss of foot dorsiflexion and inversion; reduced ankle jerk.
[PDF]Chapter 9 – Neck and Back Pain - American Academy of ...
https://www.aan.com/uploadedFiles/Website.../FM_Chp9.pdf
by LP Taylor - ‎2013 - ‎Cited by 1 - ‎Related articles
A. Low back pain ... Lumbar spinal stenosis can produce significant leg and back pain but is often present on exertion and relieved by sitting, and the physical examination is ... left arm radiculopathy can have symptoms which mimic angina. ..... with compression of nerve roots as both could produce absent ankle jerks and.
Peer comment(s):
agree Charles Davis : Yes, "absent" could be used here.
8 hrs
agree Yasser El Helw
20 hrs
agree Neil Ashby : Absent definitely the correct adjective.
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