Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant
English translation:
to approve funding in a headlong rush
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Wendy Cummings
May 3, 2016 10:52
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French term
United Kingdom
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Native in: English
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voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant
French to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
Taken from a section of a book describing the U.S. Government's past approvals of chemical warfare and generally criticizing its policies:
le Président Nixon [a réitéré] que « les USA comprennent que le Protocole [de Genève] n'interdit pas l'utilisation des herbicides au cours de la guerre ». [...] le Congrès, qui désapprouve certaines utilisations militaires en Asie du Sud-est, ratifie cependant l'usage d'herbicides et cautionne leur achat. Ce n'est pas sans rappeler ce qui se passe aujourd'hui en Irak. Car confrontés à une situation rendue intenable du fait de mensonges et d'erreurs, les députés, oubliant qu'ils représentent le peuple, préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant, plutôt que de trouver une solution sensée et honorable.
U.S. English please.
le Président Nixon [a réitéré] que « les USA comprennent que le Protocole [de Genève] n'interdit pas l'utilisation des herbicides au cours de la guerre ». [...] le Congrès, qui désapprouve certaines utilisations militaires en Asie du Sud-est, ratifie cependant l'usage d'herbicides et cautionne leur achat. Ce n'est pas sans rappeler ce qui se passe aujourd'hui en Irak. Car confrontés à une situation rendue intenable du fait de mensonges et d'erreurs, les députés, oubliant qu'ils représentent le peuple, préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant, plutôt que de trouver une solution sensée et honorable.
U.S. English please.
Proposed translations
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to approve funding in a headlong rush ahead
I'm not happy with the two 'heads', but I do think 'headlong' conveys well the notion of 'folle course' — rather like a 'train fou'.
What I am least happy with is why the source text says 'en avant'? I would have expected it to be 'towards' something, and I wonder if it is really necessary to slavishly copy this part of the sentence structure?
I'm almost inclined to turn it round to be 'rushed headlong into approving funding'
I think the way you turn it is going to depend on exactly how the text then continues... you might possibly be able to tie it in better with the next sentence / idea.
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Thanks, Wendy, for your kind remarks.
Personally, I think 'rush' (cf. 'gold rush') conveys the notion better than the rather more informal 'dash' (cf. 'dash to the loo', 'last-minute dash')
Yes, in that case, you'll probably need to tie it back into the preceding sentence. You need something that oppose 'calmly finding an honourable solution' — throw money at it... so the 'en evant' means, I suppose, keep on pursuing a pig-headed course of action...
What I am least happy with is why the source text says 'en avant'? I would have expected it to be 'towards' something, and I wonder if it is really necessary to slavishly copy this part of the sentence structure?
I'm almost inclined to turn it round to be 'rushed headlong into approving funding'
I think the way you turn it is going to depend on exactly how the text then continues... you might possibly be able to tie it in better with the next sentence / idea.
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Thanks, Wendy, for your kind remarks.
Personally, I think 'rush' (cf. 'gold rush') conveys the notion better than the rather more informal 'dash' (cf. 'dash to the loo', 'last-minute dash')
Yes, in that case, you'll probably need to tie it back into the preceding sentence. You need something that oppose 'calmly finding an honourable solution' — throw money at it... so the 'en evant' means, I suppose, keep on pursuing a pig-headed course of action...
Note from asker:
| I like these ideas, and possibly a combination of yours and Chakib's suggestion: a "headlong dash". This is the final sentence of this part of the paragraph, as the author then goes on to discuss another issue. |
Peer comment(s):
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nweatherdon
: If the asker prefers this answer, I suggest that "ahead" is not necessary.
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Thanks, NJ! Yes, as I said, I find thta bit awkward, and as W/A explains in the dicsusion box, I think it is adequately covered by the 'headlong'
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Ben Gaia
: in a headlong rush forwards
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Thanks, Ben! Yes, and as discussed, maybe the 'forwards' isn't even necessary after all.
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Chakib Roula
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شكرا Chakib!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I think this best fits the bill, although I do think Daryo has got the right idea too."
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Chakib Roula
Algeria
Algeria
Native in French
Algeria
Shedding light out of words
Native in: Arabic 
, French
Works in: Arabic to French, Arabic to English, French to English, and 3 more.
To appropriate funds in a forward dash
Suggestion
Peer comment(s):
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nweatherdon
: I don't think it's correct to call it an "appropriation" when voted upon by elected legislators.
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nweatherdon
Canada
Canada
Native in English
Specializes in field
Canada
Economics, finance and biosciences
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, English to French, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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14
rush through votes for funding
I like Tony's answer too. But I don't think the voting aspect of things should be lost in translation. Regardless of how dodgy it might be, it remains the fact the elected legislators are voting to approve the funding.
In the sentence: "prefer to rush through votes for funding, instead of finding a reasonable and honorable solution."
In the sentence: "prefer to rush through votes for funding, instead of finding a reasonable and honorable solution."
Peer comment(s):
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Susan Copeland
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Daryo
: it's not about quick or slow voting procedure.// reread the ST - the ""forward dash" is NOT about the speed of each vote, but about repeatedly voting for more of the same i.e. more and more funding for chemical weapons (in the case of the Vietnam war)
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yes it is. How else do you push through legislation? Slowly? When's the law time you heard of a "forward dash" that wasn't fast? / Yes. I use plural.
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Francois Boye
United States
United States
Native in French
United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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16
to rush through votes on appropriations
appropriations = a US concept of the budget process
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriations_bill_(United_St...
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Appropriations process
Traditionally, after a federal budget for the upcoming fiscal year has been passed, the appropriations subcommittees receive information about what the budget sets as their spending ceilings.[9] This is called 302(b) allocations after section 302(b) of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. That amount is separated into smaller amounts for each of the twelve Subcommittees. The federal budget does not become law and is not signed by the President. Instead, it is a guide for the House and the Senate in making appropriations and tax decisions.[9] However, no budget is required and each chamber has procedures in place for what to do without one.[9] The House and Senate now consider appropriations bills simultaneously, although originally the House went first. The House Committee on Appropriations usually reports the appropriations bills in May and June and the Senate in June. Any differences between appropriations bills passed by the House and the Senate are resolved in the fall.[9]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriations_bill_(United_St...
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Appropriations process
Traditionally, after a federal budget for the upcoming fiscal year has been passed, the appropriations subcommittees receive information about what the budget sets as their spending ceilings.[9] This is called 302(b) allocations after section 302(b) of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. That amount is separated into smaller amounts for each of the twelve Subcommittees. The federal budget does not become law and is not signed by the President. Instead, it is a guide for the House and the Senate in making appropriations and tax decisions.[9] However, no budget is required and each chamber has procedures in place for what to do without one.[9] The House and Senate now consider appropriations bills simultaneously, although originally the House went first. The House Committee on Appropriations usually reports the appropriations bills in May and June and the Senate in June. Any differences between appropriations bills passed by the House and the Senate are resolved in the fall.[9]
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French term (edited):
préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant
[they] prefer to keep voting more and more appropriations, in a crazy rush forward
préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant
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[they] prefer to keep voting more and more appropriations, in a crazy rush forward
une folle course en avant = a crazy rush forward to fund the use of more and more chemical warfare
possibly
"a demented rush forward"
"an out of control rush forward"
"an unbridled rush forward" ...
Nota Bene: NOTHING to do with the "speed of voting" of each individual appropriation. - this ST is NOT about that.
Le Président Nixon [a réitéré] que « les USA comprennent que le Protocole [de Genève] n'interdit pas l'utilisation des herbicides au cours de la guerre ». [...] le Congrès, qui désapprouve certaines utilisations militaires en Asie du Sud-est, ratifie cependant l'usage d'herbicides et cautionne leur achat. Ce n'est pas sans rappeler ce qui se passe aujourd'hui en Irak. Car confrontés à une situation rendue intenable du fait de mensonges et d'erreurs, les députés, oubliant qu'ils représentent le peuple, préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant, plutôt que de trouver une solution sensée et honorable.
Car confrontés à une situation rendue intenable du fait de mensonges et d'erreurs,
les députés, ...,
préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant,
= they would rather just keep doing more and more of the same "non-solution"
plutôt que de trouver une solution sensée et honorable
= instead of finding a real solution
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possibly
to vote for more and more funding ...
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[they] prefer to keep voting more and more appropriations, in a crazy rush forward
une folle course en avant = a crazy rush forward to fund the use of more and more chemical warfare
possibly
"a demented rush forward"
"an out of control rush forward"
"an unbridled rush forward" ...
Nota Bene: NOTHING to do with the "speed of voting" of each individual appropriation. - this ST is NOT about that.
Le Président Nixon [a réitéré] que « les USA comprennent que le Protocole [de Genève] n'interdit pas l'utilisation des herbicides au cours de la guerre ». [...] le Congrès, qui désapprouve certaines utilisations militaires en Asie du Sud-est, ratifie cependant l'usage d'herbicides et cautionne leur achat. Ce n'est pas sans rappeler ce qui se passe aujourd'hui en Irak. Car confrontés à une situation rendue intenable du fait de mensonges et d'erreurs, les députés, oubliant qu'ils représentent le peuple, préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant, plutôt que de trouver une solution sensée et honorable.
Car confrontés à une situation rendue intenable du fait de mensonges et d'erreurs,
les députés, ...,
préfèrent continuer à voter des crédits dans une folle course en avant,
= they would rather just keep doing more and more of the same "non-solution"
plutôt que de trouver une solution sensée et honorable
= instead of finding a real solution
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possibly
to vote for more and more funding ...
Note from asker:
| Your suggestion does make sense and fit in with the context |
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Francois Boye
: there is no 'more and more' connotation in the source text
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then it means you missed the point of the ST
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Discussion
i.e. the kind of attitude where problems are "solved" by trying to escape from them by just doing "more and more of the same" of something that is not the solution (here spending more and more on defoliants)
it's got NOTHING to do with whether each individual "crédits budgetaires" where voted in a rush or in some leisurely tempo.