Feb 1, 2017 11:05
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German term

um mindestens eine 10er Potenz abtötet

German to English Medical Biology (-tech,-chem,micro-)
Im Kontext geht es um Produktionsbetriebe für verzehrfertige Lebensmittel. Das Unternehmen hat umfangreiche Maßnahmen, die die Keimfreiheit etc. gewährleisten sollen.

In einem Absatz geht es um Erhitzung und ähnliches, welches die Keimzahl "um mindestens eine 10er Potenz abtötet".

Die Übersetzung 10er Potenz finde ich nirgends, leider.

Es gab schon mal eine ähnliche KudoZ-Frage, ich weiß aber nicht ob und wie "orders of magnitude" sich einbauen/verwenden lässt.

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_german/mathematics_stat...

Hilfe wäre deshalb nett.
Change log

Feb 1, 2017 11:08: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Science" to "Medical"

Discussion

dkfmmuc (asker) Feb 3, 2017:
Ok, thanks! Only a tiny bug of KudoZ that the ASKER is not able to give the thank you symbol/points to two suggestions.
Cilian O'Tuama Feb 2, 2017:
Most helpful Simply award the points to whoever you think provided you with the most helpful answer. Askers who close without grading are frowned upon - "couldn't be bothered grading after receiving our help - I won't help him next time".
Erzsébet Czopyk Feb 2, 2017:
@Asker You cannot do this only if you set this in advance (so called 'community grading'). Sometimes it is hard you cannot split the points, giving 2-2 to them. You shall close your question yourself.
Thanks to all - it was a very interesting discussion.
dkfmmuc (asker) Feb 2, 2017:
"Community-vote" and soft-closing Thank you all for the great suggestions. However I was only able to use two proposed answers by Jakub Rychter, OhD as well as Cilian O'Tuama.

I am not completely sure how the further proceeding is: I don't want to choose the prefered solution myself, just leave it open. After some days the community-vote will step up. Then the system or I (?) will choose the solution with the highest number of "agree" votes.
Cilian O'Tuama Feb 1, 2017:
Indeed it is what you said! (excuse my piecemeal contributions).
I was trying to point out the problems which arise if e.g. "mehr als eine" is actually "zwei" 10er Potenzen - how do you hope to render that? Two factors of 10? A factor of 2x10? Of course a factor of 10^2 would be the correct one. But I see I'm making this too complicated. Sorry for the confusion, Folks.
phillee Feb 1, 2017:
Which is what I said 10^6 = 1,000,000 before 10^5 = 100,000 after
1,000,000 - 100,000 = 900,000 dead bacteria i.e. 90% killed off
bacterial count reduced by a factor of ten
Cilian O'Tuama Feb 1, 2017:
No phillee, the treatment lowers the count from e.g. 10^6 to 10^5, i.e. by one power of ten (or even more).
phillee Feb 1, 2017:
Factor of ten I interpret the text as killing off over 90% of the bacteria. Anything else wouldn't make sense to me in this context. 'Factor of ten' is equivalent to 1 order of magnitude and is more readable IMO.

Proposed translations

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decreases (the total bioburden/bacterial load) by at least a factor of 10

Note from asker:
Thanks for the suggestion!
Peer comment(s):

agree phillee : Perhaps 'Reduces the bacteria count by at least a factor of 10" ... Geschmackssache
21 mins
agree Anne Schulz
7 hrs
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Great!"
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which decimates

the bacteria count;

'decimate' literally means ' to decrease BY a tenth' but in the modern sense it means 'destroy en masse'; could work here:

decimate - definition of decimate in English | Oxford Dictionaries
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/decimate
Historically, the meaning of the word decimate is 'kill one in every ten of (a group of people)'. This sense has been more or less totally superseded by the later, more general sense 'kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of', as in the virus has decimated the population.

Peer comment(s):

neutral Cilian O'Tuama : scientific texts should be unambiguous
2 hrs
Agree;
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survival ratio of 1:10

Thermal Processing - NZIFST
www.nzifst.org.nz › ... › Heat-Transfer Applications
Equivalent Killing Power at Other Temperatures Pasteurization. Thermal processing implies the controlled use of heat to increase, or reduce depending ... The object of sterilization is to destroy all microorganisms, that is, bacteria, yeasts ... times needed to reduce actual spore counts from 1012 (12 in uppercase!) to 1 (the lower, open, circles) ...

In this graph, these times are plotted against the different temperatures and it shows that when the logarithms of these times are plotted against temperatures, the resulting graph is a straight line. The mean times on this graph are called thermal death times for the corresponding temperatures. Note that these thermal death times do not represent complete sterilization, but a mathematical concept which can be considered as effective sterilization, which is in fact a survival ratio of 1:1012, and which has been found adequate for safety
http://www.nzifst.org.nz/unitoperations/httrapps2.htm

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[DOC]Thermal Destruction of Microorganisms
web.thu.edu.tw/.../4%20Thermal%20Destruction%20of...
Thus bacteria subjected to heat are killed at a rate that is proportional to the number ... as the temperature change required to change the D value by a factor of 10. ... Organisms that can survive pasteurization temperature belong to the groups of .... So, the z-value allows us to calculate a thermal process of equivalency, if we ...

Thermal death time - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_death_time
Thermal death time is a concept used to determine how long it takes to kill a specific bacteria at a specific temperature. ... This would be shown either as F10121 = 10 minutes (Celsius) or F18250 = 10 minutes (Fahrenheit).

A lethal ratio (L) is also a sterilizing effect at 1 minute at other temperatures with (T). L = 10 ( T − T R e f ) ..

Survival and Heat Resistance of Salmonella enterica and Escherichia ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3233057/ - Oldal lefordítása
Írta: Y He - ‎2011 - ‎Idézetek száma: 29 - ‎Kapcsolódó cikkek
The heat-treated samples were taken at 4 s, 10 min, 20 min, 30 min, and 1 h and ... Bacterial survival rates were calculated by enumerating viable cell counts on BHI and .... For instance, it required an average of 5.89 to 8.84 min to kill 90% of ....

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lethal ratio or survival ratio
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power of ten / order of magnitude

lower the germ count by at least one power of ten

reduce the bacterial count by at least one order of magnitude

The Keimzahl is not 'abgetötet' but 'reduziert'
Note from asker:
Thank you for your support. I am now facing the problem that I can't split the points. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Andrew Bramhall : I agree the germ count isn't eradicated entirely, merely reduced (considerably)
1 min
germs can be eradicated, a count cannot
agree BrigitteHilgner : Alles schon mal dagewesen: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/tech_engineering...
1 hr
agree Anne Schulz
7 hrs
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7 hrs

which at a minimum kills at a tenfold rate

That's my modest attempt.

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Note added at 1 day13 hrs (2017-02-03 00:08:00 GMT)
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which kills germs (bacteria) at a minimum at a tenfold rate
Peer comment(s):

neutral Cilian O'Tuama : ten times higher than what? // still makes no mathematical/scientific/whatever sense
1 day 5 hrs
kills germs (bacteria) at a tenfold rate
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