Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

autonome

English translation:

autocannon / automatic cannon

Added to glossary by Wendy Streitparth
Jun 2, 2017 09:26
6 yrs ago
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French term

autonome

French to English Tech/Engineering Military / Defense
This is on the description of the cannon on the RAFALE aircraft:

Le canon 30 M 791, intégré sur l’avion RAFALE est un canon à barillet de 30 mm, autonome, fonctionnant par emprunt de gaz.

I can't figure out the "autonome" aspect.
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Jun 30, 2017 07:28: Wendy Streitparth Created KOG entry

Discussion

Herbmione Granger Jun 2, 2017:
@Philippe I think it's cool that you were a fighter pilot :)
Thanks for the clarification; I learned a lot. However, I am not convinced that this description of the power source fits the English term "autonomous." It would instead be called "spontaneous," perhaps "automated," and the power would need to the indicated in the list, for example "automated power." "Automatic," though not a proper translation of "autonome," can be used to describe a weapon. The Wikipedia article you provided focuses on the Gatling gun being a predecessor of automatic weapons (rapid-fire, without reloading). I am (respectfully) only arguing from a linguistics point of view.
Philippe Lascourrèges Jun 2, 2017:
@ herbalchemist nicht automatik from your second reference : The gas-operated mechanism reduces the electrical power requirements
On other hand, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun they mention "Power for operating the gun is provided by twin hydraulic motors pressurized from two independent hydraulic systems"
I am not a gunsmith, just an ex fighter pilot.
Herbmione Granger Jun 2, 2017:
@Philippe Are you talking about autonomous refueling? I don't think that it would be used to directly describe this cannon in the listing: 30mm barrels, "autonome", gas-powered. The plane could easily have autonomous (no man needed) refueling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_aerial_refueling. We are talking about this cannon, which is known to have rapid firing without the need to reload or re-trigger: http://preprod.nexter-group.fr/fr/produits/item/294-30mm-can... It would be categorized as an autocannon/automatic cannon.
Herbmione Granger Jun 2, 2017:
@Philippe I found the sentence here: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/aerospace_aviati... strange, but I am not French native. I misread your suggestion; are you saying "autonome" means "functions by itself (autonomous)"? In the context, I figured "autonome" should have been "automatique."
Philippe Lascourrèges Jun 2, 2017:
@ herbalchemist & jessjess Au contraire... la phrase est très bien écrite !
"fonctionnant par emprunt de gaz" explique pourquoi il est autonome !
Herbmione Granger Jun 2, 2017:
@jessjess I think that this project was not written by a French native speaker. Obviously, however, you should choose words that fit their meaning/context. Bonne chance!

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autocannon / automatic cannon

Maybe.

...virtually all fighter aircraft retain autocannon in integral internal mounts to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocannon

The BK27 is a gas-operated automatic cannon with linked or linkless ammunition
https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/s...

A flight crewman is shown loading the onboard 40 mm automatic cannon.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xYLbCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT192&lp...


Or possibly self-powered:

The compact nature of this self-powered cannon makes it an attractive option for relatively simple on-aircraft installation, whether considered for an under slung pod, under fuselage blister or interior fuselage carriage.
http://aei-systems.com/aircraft-weapons-systems/aden-aircraf...

The common 20 mm cannon used before the advent of the 20 mm Vulcan family was a rotary self powered cannon (we stole the basic design from the Germans, IIRC).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/885490/posts
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agree Herbmione Granger : Automatic as in "Rate of fire: 2500 rounds per minute" in few presses: http://preprod.nexter-group.fr/fr/produits/item/294-30mm-can...
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Thanks, herbal chemist
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stand-alone

simple suggestion
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Peer comment(s):

disagree Philippe Lascourrèges : La notion de stand-alone pour l'armement précise en général le mode de tir, de déclenchement du tir par un calculateur ou autre. Dans la phrase, il s'agit de la description technique du 30 M 791.
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autonomous

autonome = n'a pas besoin d'un entrainement mécanique pour fonctionner. Amorce pyrotechnique et retour des gaz de la munition précédente pour amorcer la suivante.
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agree Daryo
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