Aug 30, 2017 17:24
6 yrs ago
German term
Der lyrische Moderne
German to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Modern French poetry
My text is on the influence of the haiku on modern Western culture. this is an umbrella term for developments in French poetry including Symbolism etc. Will "Modern French lyric poetry" do as a translation?
Proposed translations
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4 +2 | Modernist poetry | Helen Shiner |
2 -1 | Contemporary lyricism | gangels (X) |
Proposed translations
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Modernist poetry
I would have thought this was an appropriate translation. You don't give the term in context. Lyrical modernism is also a term, but does not apply particularly to France.
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Note added at 21 mins (2017-08-30 17:45:56 GMT)
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Here is someone who specialises in the field:
http://cmsw.mit.edu/people/lecturers/
In France, it would probably start with the Symbolists. Wikipedia, not always reliable, of course, says as much: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernist_poetry
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Note added at 21 mins (2017-08-30 17:45:56 GMT)
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Here is someone who specialises in the field:
http://cmsw.mit.edu/people/lecturers/
In France, it would probably start with the Symbolists. Wikipedia, not always reliable, of course, says as much: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernist_poetry
Peer comment(s):
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Björn Vrooman
: Maybe you could add something for "jüngere," such as pre-1930 or early, but since "imagism" is mentioned as well, I'm not sure it's necessary.
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Thanks, Björn. There's no need. It is not in the term or the text given, and most importantly not required for the concept. If it occurs elsewhere in Stephen's text, I'm sure he can modify as appropriate. Modernism is my field of research ;)
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Ramey Rieger (X)
1 day 21 hrs
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Thanks, Ramey
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks again, Helen. I got tired when working on this and confused about the grammatical gender and with "juengere Moderne," - aq term which also occurred in my text. "
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Contemporary lyricism
I'd call it
Peer comment(s):
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Kim Metzger
: Any idea about the difference between contemporary and modern in poetry, art?
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Discussion
That's what I thought, thanks (just as they said at the Cambridge link). No need to elaborate. Entry can be changed in the glossary.
Not going to add anything--kept it straight on topic, since I'll have to bow out of the discussion too.
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frühe (till 1925) - jüngste Moderne (from 1945)
[see "frühe" hier: https://www.deutschelyrik.de/index.php/fruehe-moderne.html]
The English one:
early modernism [till 1930] - late modernism [from 1945]
Something's missing...but we're talking about pre-1930 anyway. I suppose you could say "early" or "pre-1930" to get it in there somehow.
Cf
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/learn/glossary-terms/modern...
"A strand of modernism, imagism was officially launched in 1912 when Ezra Pound read and marked up a poem by Hilda Doolittle, signed it “H. D. Imagiste," and sent it to Harriet Monroe at Poetry magazine."
https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/text/brief-guide-imagism
Cf
https://www.britannica.com/art/Imagists
I think "jüngere" is to distinguish it from "symbolism":
"Imagism was a successor to the French Symbolist movement, but, whereas Symbolism had an affinity with music, Imagism sought analogy with sculpture."
https://www.deutschelyrik.de/index.php/juengste-moderne.html
There's also "jüngste" Moderne (from 1945):
https://www.deutschelyrik.de/index.php/juengste-moderne.html
That'd be late modernism, I thought:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_modernism
And "early modernism" for the first period:
https://www.amazon.de/Early-Modernism-Literature-Painting-19...
But what about "jüngere"? It seems I'm not the only one having trouble with this:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/the-cambridge-companion...
State the years?
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