This question was closed without grading. Reason: Other
Nov 21, 2017 20:42
6 yrs ago
5 viewers *
German term
United Kingdom
Quality translations and transcriptions
Native in: English (Variants: UK, British) 
Works in: German to English
Grundkörper
German to English
Marketing
Food & Drink
Hi, does anyone have any idea how to translate "Grundkörper" in this sentence? It seems to be some sort of general term used by a cake manufacturer to refer to their own alcoholic drinks and appears here in a recipe:
500g Trüffelmasse mit 250 g Butter zu einer schaumigen Creme aufschlagen und nach Belieben mit einem unserer Grundkörper (z.B. Rum 74 %, Amaretto oder Cointreau) und/oder unsere Aroma und Fruchtpasten abschmecken.
I may end up just using "liqueur" because of the context, but I'd be grateful for any suggestions on "Grundkörper" in this context.
500g Trüffelmasse mit 250 g Butter zu einer schaumigen Creme aufschlagen und nach Belieben mit einem unserer Grundkörper (z.B. Rum 74 %, Amaretto oder Cointreau) und/oder unsere Aroma und Fruchtpasten abschmecken.
I may end up just using "liqueur" because of the context, but I'd be grateful for any suggestions on "Grundkörper" in this context.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | basic ingredients |
David Hollywood
|
| 4 | essential ingredient |
Herbmione Granger
|
| 3 | Rectified spirit/neutral spirits/rectified alcohol |
Teangacha (X)
|
Proposed translations
+2
34 mins
David Hollywood
Native in English
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
:
78
basic ingredients
I would say
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 35 mins (2017-11-21 21:18:17 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
yummie
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 35 mins (2017-11-21 21:18:17 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
yummie
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Dhananjay Rau
: Agree. Good way of putting it.
5 hrs
|
| agree |
Wendy Streitparth
: Or "one of our basics"
9 hrs
|
| neutral |
philgoddard
: Wendy's reference appears to suggest otherwise.
9 hrs
|
18 hrs
Rectified spirit/neutral spirits/rectified alcohol
https://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/997761205143417/Likoer-Grund...
Der Likörgrundkörper ist eine geniale Grundlage für selber anzusetzende Liköre. Man erreicht durch ihn bei den Likören einen Geschmack, wie er mit reiner Alkoholzugabe nie entstehen kann. Die Mühe lohnt sich.
https://www.paracelsus-versand.de/fluessigkeiten-substanzen/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectified_spirit
Rectified spirit, also known as neutral spirits, rectified alcohol, or ethyl alcohol of agricultural origin[
https://www.brennerei-kessler.de/1-Liter-Primasprit-96-vol
Weingeist, auch als Neutralalkohol, Trinkalkohol oder Primasprit bezeichnet, ist ein sehr Geschmacksneutraler Alkohol, der sich hervorragend für die Herstellung von Likören und anderen alkoholischen Ansätzen eignet.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 15:44:24 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
My confidence level should be low not medium!!!! I could be wrong.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 15:50:09 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
No, the more I look at it the more I think I am wrong. Rum 74%, Amaretto and Cointreau seem to be finished drinks in themselves not neutral spirits.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 15:51:37 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Will be interested to know if it is right or wrong and the answer! : )
Der Likörgrundkörper ist eine geniale Grundlage für selber anzusetzende Liköre. Man erreicht durch ihn bei den Likören einen Geschmack, wie er mit reiner Alkoholzugabe nie entstehen kann. Die Mühe lohnt sich.
https://www.paracelsus-versand.de/fluessigkeiten-substanzen/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectified_spirit
Rectified spirit, also known as neutral spirits, rectified alcohol, or ethyl alcohol of agricultural origin[
https://www.brennerei-kessler.de/1-Liter-Primasprit-96-vol
Weingeist, auch als Neutralalkohol, Trinkalkohol oder Primasprit bezeichnet, ist ein sehr Geschmacksneutraler Alkohol, der sich hervorragend für die Herstellung von Likören und anderen alkoholischen Ansätzen eignet.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 15:44:24 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
My confidence level should be low not medium!!!! I could be wrong.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 15:50:09 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
No, the more I look at it the more I think I am wrong. Rum 74%, Amaretto and Cointreau seem to be finished drinks in themselves not neutral spirits.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 15:51:37 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Will be interested to know if it is right or wrong and the answer! : )
12 hrs
Herbmione Granger
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
An American scholar based in Germany
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: French to English, German to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
8
essential ingredient
Wendy's references suggest that this is a "foundational substance" (forms the Grundlage).
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 16:10:09 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
I am thinking that this is "fundamental," which has a stronger meaning than "basic."
http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/1904-10-05/S0002-9904-1904-...
Dr. Bernstein bases his work on theorems of Kronecker,
Weber, and Hilbert. He gives the necessary and sufficient
conditions that a "Primideal" of the fundamental system
(Grundkörper) shall lie in a particular class of the same.
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 19 hrs (2017-11-22 16:10:09 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
I am thinking that this is "fundamental," which has a stronger meaning than "basic."
http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/1904-10-05/S0002-9904-1904-...
Dr. Bernstein bases his work on theorems of Kronecker,
Weber, and Hilbert. He gives the necessary and sufficient
conditions that a "Primideal" of the fundamental system
(Grundkörper) shall lie in a particular class of the same.
Reference comments
9 hrs
Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Works in field
Germany
45 years experience
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
30
Reference:
Der Likörgrundkörper ist eine geniale Grundlage für selber anzusetzende Liköre. Man erreicht durch ihn bei den Likören einen Geschmack, wie er mit reiner Alkoholzugabe nie entstehen kann.
https://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/997761205143417/Likoer-Grund...
TOMAMI Tomate verleiht eine fruchtig-würzige Tomatennote mit typischer Säure und herzhaftem Grundkörper wie man es von frischen, knackigen, sonnengereiften Tomaten kennt.
http://kochbock.de/rezepte/kapern-ziegenkaese-ciabatta/
https://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/997761205143417/Likoer-Grund...
TOMAMI Tomate verleiht eine fruchtig-würzige Tomatennote mit typischer Säure und herzhaftem Grundkörper wie man es von frischen, knackigen, sonnengereiften Tomaten kennt.
http://kochbock.de/rezepte/kapern-ziegenkaese-ciabatta/
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
philgoddard
: Though I still can't visualise exactly what this is. Some kind of syrup?
45 mins
|
|
Thanks, Phil. One could maybe call it a concentrate (in the case of Tomami) or extract, depending on the circumstances
|
|
| agree |
Herbmione Granger
: Very helpful - Shows the versatility of this word
3 hrs
|
|
Thanks, herbalchemist
|
Discussion
I'm realising I missed out on the poitín making lessons here and am really not sure!!!!! : )
@AnyoneInterested [Updated] I don't like the Kudoz chem. entries for Grundkörper. The meaning is closer to parent compound than skeleton.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00902538?no-acce...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkömmling
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-540-31096-9_...
parent compound/parent molecule (backbone) > Grundkörper (Strukturformel)
Maybe basis for a class/series of compounds
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230476540_Analyse_d...
https://www.google.com/patents/EP1611146A1?cl=de
Yes, main ingredient was something I was thinking of as well. Might have over researched this one and gotten lost!!!! : )
Thanks for the suggestion of "staples". I think that might work - and thanks for pointing out that rum is not a liqueur. Had a bit of a senior moment there!:-/ I'm not sure if the spirits are made by the same manufacturer, but it looks like they sell them under their own brand anyway.
Could Grundkörper mean something like "staples", ie there are lots of other recipes containing spirits? Is this a book?
You can't say "liqueur", because rum is not a liqueur.