Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
право на существование
English translation:
are legitimate, plausible, viable, worthy of consideration
Added to glossary by
Susan Welsh
Sep 12, 2018 18:43
5 yrs ago
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Russian term
United States
Psychology, economics, politics
Native in: English 
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
право на существование
Russian to English
Social Sciences
Psychology
procrastination
The author describes both destructive (functional) procrastination and dysfunctional procrastination, as discussed in the scientific literature.
Оба подхода имеют право на существование и содержат под собой ряд научных подтверждений, но возникает сомнение – об одном ли феномене идет речь в этих работах.
This idea that something "has a right to exist" is rather common in Russian, but sounds very odd in English. Is there some nuance in the Russian that would help me to translate it better? Does it imply that both approaches are worth pursuing? Or maybe that there is evidence for both points of view? Or is it just a throwaway phrase that doesn't really mean anything at all?
Оба подхода имеют право на существование и содержат под собой ряд научных подтверждений, но возникает сомнение – об одном ли феномене идет речь в этих работах.
This idea that something "has a right to exist" is rather common in Russian, but sounds very odd in English. Is there some nuance in the Russian that would help me to translate it better? Does it imply that both approaches are worth pursuing? Or maybe that there is evidence for both points of view? Or is it just a throwaway phrase that doesn't really mean anything at all?
Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
+2
2 hrs
Rachel Douglas
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Excellent English from Russian originals
Native in: English (Variants: British, Australian, US)
Works in: Russian to English
Related KudoZ points
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60
Selected
are legitimate
But it seems to me that the main point in the sentence is not the legitimacy of the two approaches, but the suggestion that maybe they're one and the same.
Note from asker:
| Hi Rachel! Actually it refers to DOUBT that they are one and the same (i.e. both are "procrastination"). Be that as it may, I still need to translate "the right to exist." I think your suggestion is a good one. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "There are lots of good suggestions here, but I like this one the best. Thanks everybody!"
+1
12 mins
Nik-On/Off
Ukraine
Ukraine
Native in Russian
Ukraine
careful, caring, and perfectionist
Native in: Russian 
, Ukrainian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Ukrainian to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
8
are plausible
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Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Oleg Lozinskiy
: 'Plausible' = 'seeming likely to be true, or able to be believed' https://dictionary.cambridge.org/ru/словарь/английский/plaus...
53 mins
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верно
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| agree |
Vladyslav Golovaty
4 hrs
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+4
17 mins
While both approaches are viable...
viable
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
DTSM
16 mins
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| agree |
Alexander Onishko
26 mins
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| neutral |
Oleg Lozinskiy
: 'Viable' = 'able to work as intended or able to succeed' https://dictionary.cambridge.org/ru/словарь/английский/viabl...
52 mins
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| agree |
IrinaN
1 hr
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| agree |
Jack Doughty
2 hrs
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| neutral |
The Misha
: I don't mind this per se, but rather your absolute certainty on the issue. There's definitely more ways than one to skin a cat.
2 hrs
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11 mins
Oleg Lozinskiy
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Russian Federation
There's No Limit to Perfection
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
56
right to existence
Не нравится 'right to exist' --> замените на 'right to existence' или на 'existential rights'.
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Note added at 21 мин (2018-09-12 19:05:01 GMT)
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The right to exist is said to be an attribute of nations. According to an essay by the nineteenth century French philosopher Ernest Renan, a state has the right to exist when individuals are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it represents. Unlike self-determination, the right to exist is an attribute of states rather than of peoples. It is not a right recognized in international law. The phrase has featured prominently in the Arab–Israeli conflict since the 1950s.
The right to exist of a de facto state may be balanced against another state's right to territorial integrity.[1] Proponents of the right to exist trace it back to the "right of existence", said to be a fundamental right of states recognized by writers on international law for hundreds of years.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_exist
right to existence --> http://context.reverso.net/перевод/английский-русский/right ...
existential rights -->
Declaration of Existential Rights (Rights of existence) For Sentient and Non-Sentient Life, For The Species And The Individual Paperback – February 16, 2000
by Andromeda Knecht (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Declaration-Existential-existence-Non...
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Note added at 56 мин (2018-09-12 19:39:59 GMT)
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To: ASKER
Sorry, but the 'how to translate' question is 'nil' (no phrase to translate, no context - just your speculations to comment).
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Note added at 1 час (2018-09-12 19:43:47 GMT)
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BTW, could you, please, tell me what does a 'particular scientific opinion' mean? All opinions (be it 'scientific' or otherwise) has their own 'existential rights'.
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Note added at 1 час (2018-09-12 19:46:07 GMT)
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And, please, explain whether a 'commonly used' is equal to 'MUST be used'.
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Note added at 1 час (2018-09-12 20:01:28 GMT)
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And, please, explain how 'particular scientific opinion' correlates with 'commonly used (in EN) parlance'.
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Note added at 21 мин (2018-09-12 19:05:01 GMT)
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The right to exist is said to be an attribute of nations. According to an essay by the nineteenth century French philosopher Ernest Renan, a state has the right to exist when individuals are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it represents. Unlike self-determination, the right to exist is an attribute of states rather than of peoples. It is not a right recognized in international law. The phrase has featured prominently in the Arab–Israeli conflict since the 1950s.
The right to exist of a de facto state may be balanced against another state's right to territorial integrity.[1] Proponents of the right to exist trace it back to the "right of existence", said to be a fundamental right of states recognized by writers on international law for hundreds of years.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_exist
right to existence --> http://context.reverso.net/перевод/английский-русский/right ...
existential rights -->
Declaration of Existential Rights (Rights of existence) For Sentient and Non-Sentient Life, For The Species And The Individual Paperback – February 16, 2000
by Andromeda Knecht (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Declaration-Existential-existence-Non...
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Note added at 56 мин (2018-09-12 19:39:59 GMT)
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To: ASKER
Sorry, but the 'how to translate' question is 'nil' (no phrase to translate, no context - just your speculations to comment).
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Note added at 1 час (2018-09-12 19:43:47 GMT)
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BTW, could you, please, tell me what does a 'particular scientific opinion' mean? All opinions (be it 'scientific' or otherwise) has their own 'existential rights'.
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Note added at 1 час (2018-09-12 19:46:07 GMT)
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And, please, explain whether a 'commonly used' is equal to 'MUST be used'.
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Note added at 1 час (2018-09-12 20:01:28 GMT)
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And, please, explain how 'particular scientific opinion' correlates with 'commonly used (in EN) parlance'.
Note from asker:
| The right of a nation or a people to exist is not the same as the "right" of a particular scientific opinion to exist. The former is commonly used in EN; the latter is not. |
10 hrs
are worth studying/consideration
Both approaches are good and thought-out well enough to turn out to be useful or applicable (at least in some circumstances)
Neither one, nor another can be disregarded and "thrown away" as the wrong one or useless.
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Note added at 10 час (2018-09-13 05:17:29 GMT)
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nor the other
Neither one, nor another can be disregarded and "thrown away" as the wrong one or useless.
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Note added at 10 час (2018-09-13 05:17:29 GMT)
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nor the other
Discussion
Polonius: What do you read, my lord?
Hamlet: Words, words, words.
Polonius: What is the matter, my lord?
Hamlet: Between who?
Polonius: I mean, the matter that you read, my lord.
Hamlet: Slanders, sir: for the satirical rogue says here that old men have grey beards....
Polonius: [Aside] Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.
Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.
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