Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
de type concentré
English translation:
under single xxx roof
Added to glossary by
Lara Barnett
Dec 3, 2019 11:39
4 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
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Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish, Irish, Singaporean, UK, South African) 
Works in: French to English, Italian to English, Romanian to English, and 2 more.
de type concentré
French to English
Marketing
Real Estate
Property spec.
I am aware that this text is probably found online, but in the meantime I still am unsure how "concentre" is being used here:
"Subissant des dégâts importants en 1833, elle a été partiellement reconstruite avant 1844, devenant ainsi une maison rurale de type concentré avec logements, grange,...."
Thanks in advance for any advice on the use of "concentré" here.
"Subissant des dégâts importants en 1833, elle a été partiellement reconstruite avant 1844, devenant ainsi une maison rurale de type concentré avec logements, grange,...."
Thanks in advance for any advice on the use of "concentré" here.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 -2 | under single gable roof |
SafeTex
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| 4 -1 | house with attached outbuildings |
B D Finch
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| 3 | with adjoining outbuildings |
Stephanie Benoist
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| 2 | laithe house |
Michele Fauble
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References
| fwiw/hth, with photos |
writeaway
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Proposed translations
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under single gable roof
Can't give you the reference as it takes you to a non editable pdf which you cannot search but the caption on Internet says
"La maison de type concentré, où tout se rassemble sous le même toit, serait-elle un habitat de sédentaire, tandis que la maison dissociée, où le logis des ..."
Another similar hit says "Maison de type concentré, en maçonnerie, avec une toiture à deux pans en tuiles creuses,un avant-toit très débordant, un escalier extérieur etde.
So i conclude "under one gable roof
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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs (2019-12-04 19:23:57 GMT) Post-grading
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Hello
On this question of gable roof or not, I based myself on a single description (the second one with "à deux pans en tuile). I have noted however that all the other references people have given lead to pictures of such houses with... gable roofs. Is this merely a coincidence? Either way, the asker took out this part of my suggestion to be on the safe. side and flagged the segment for the client.
Regards
SafeTex
"La maison de type concentré, où tout se rassemble sous le même toit, serait-elle un habitat de sédentaire, tandis que la maison dissociée, où le logis des ..."
Another similar hit says "Maison de type concentré, en maçonnerie, avec une toiture à deux pans en tuiles creuses,un avant-toit très débordant, un escalier extérieur etde.
So i conclude "under one gable roof
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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs (2019-12-04 19:23:57 GMT) Post-grading
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Hello
On this question of gable roof or not, I based myself on a single description (the second one with "à deux pans en tuile). I have noted however that all the other references people have given lead to pictures of such houses with... gable roofs. Is this merely a coincidence? Either way, the asker took out this part of my suggestion to be on the safe. side and flagged the segment for the client.
Regards
SafeTex
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: The fact that you have found a description of one "Maison de type concentré" that has a gable roof, doesn't make a gable roof part of the definition of the term.//So why not throw in the outside staircase too?!
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Hello. I don't think I found one description of a particular house but a definition of what it means
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Daryo
: Have to agree with B D Finch - the "gable" part is surplus to requirement for this ST [which is what counts!]
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Hello Daryo. I've added a note about this
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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5 hrs
French term (edited):
maison de type concentré
house with attached outbuildings
https://books.google.fr › books
Samuel F. Pickering - 1988 - American essays
Fifteen miles up the Bay of Fundy from Yarmouth, the farm consists of an old house with attached outbuildings and barn and about thirty-five acres of meadow, ...
https://www.rightmove.co.uk › property-for-sale › property-72409882
Jun 20, 2019 - The substantial portion of a Listed Manor House with attached outbuildings and established walled gardens and paddocks,
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Note added at 6 hrs (2019-12-03 18:34:03 GMT)
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Looking into this a bit more, I have realised that this is not just a house with attached outbuildings. It is specifically the sort of house that used to be very common here in Ariège, where farm animals, the harvest and people were all housed under one roof, with the people living on the upper floor(s). I have only seen one house where people are still living that way, but I am sure that there still are some. So, part of the building would be a barn and the hay barn would generally be on the first floor with farm implements below and the animals would often be next to that with the habitable part of the building above them, getting some extra warmth from the cows during the winter.
See the last paragraph of page 668:
https://www.persee.fr/doc/rga_0035-1121_1932_num_20_4_5332
Also: https://bit.ly/2YknhAE "Maisons paysannes en Europe occidentale: XVe-XXIe siècles" Jean-René Trochet has several examples with photos.
I think that the best way of dealing with this is to retain the French and add an explanation in English.
Samuel F. Pickering - 1988 - American essays
Fifteen miles up the Bay of Fundy from Yarmouth, the farm consists of an old house with attached outbuildings and barn and about thirty-five acres of meadow, ...
https://www.rightmove.co.uk › property-for-sale › property-72409882
Jun 20, 2019 - The substantial portion of a Listed Manor House with attached outbuildings and established walled gardens and paddocks,
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Note added at 6 hrs (2019-12-03 18:34:03 GMT)
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Looking into this a bit more, I have realised that this is not just a house with attached outbuildings. It is specifically the sort of house that used to be very common here in Ariège, where farm animals, the harvest and people were all housed under one roof, with the people living on the upper floor(s). I have only seen one house where people are still living that way, but I am sure that there still are some. So, part of the building would be a barn and the hay barn would generally be on the first floor with farm implements below and the animals would often be next to that with the habitable part of the building above them, getting some extra warmth from the cows during the winter.
See the last paragraph of page 668:
https://www.persee.fr/doc/rga_0035-1121_1932_num_20_4_5332
Also: https://bit.ly/2YknhAE "Maisons paysannes en Europe occidentale: XVe-XXIe siècles" Jean-René Trochet has several examples with photos.
I think that the best way of dealing with this is to retain the French and add an explanation in English.
Peer comment(s):
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SafeTex
: This completely misses the point that all the attached outbuildings are under one and the same roof.
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They are under the same roof, but not necessarily a gable roof. Also, the ground floor often housed the cattle, with the family living above.
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10 hrs
Michele Fauble
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Native English
Native in: English
Works in: Norwegian to English, Danish to English, Swedish to English
Related KudoZ points
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4
laithe house
Height Laithe
Alternative forms[edit]
laithe-house
Noun
laithe house (plural laithe houses)
A dwelling with other farm buildings, including a barn, as a single structural unit, with separate entrances for human and livestock
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/laithe_house
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: Very interesting. However, that is a bit too specifically Yorkshire and differs from the French version by having living accommodation on both upper and ground floors. https://bit.ly/37Xl4PQ
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Stephanie Benoist
France
France
Native in English
France
Literature, mystery/sci fi, culture
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: French to English
with adjoining outbuildings
this seems to fit the description
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: No, you're making the same mistake I did and suggest you read the note I added to point out that mistake and correct my answer.
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thanks, the first part of the link seemed to indicate this; so I thought, EUREKA! but I did not read far enough into the description.
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Reference comments
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Reference:
fwiw/hth, with photos
Historique
Ancienne maison rurale de type concentré ayant conservé dans une large mesure son aspect ancien.
http://ge.ch/geodata/SIPATRIMOINE/SI-EVI-OPS/EVI/edition/obj...
Ancienne maison rurale de type concentré ayant conservé dans une large mesure son aspect ancien.
http://ge.ch/geodata/SIPATRIMOINE/SI-EVI-OPS/EVI/edition/obj...
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