English term
TRANSLATIONS THAT READ LIKE ORIGINALS
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Latino students dreams
Is that construction unequivocally wrong without the possessive apostrophe after “students”, or is it one of those vague situations where the use of the apostrophe is more or less optional?
I did not write this. I just do not want to change anything without being 100% sure that it needs to be corrected. Option A is the original text. Which –if any—of the following options would you use?
A) XXX supports Latino students dreams of a graduating from college.
B) XXX supports Latino student dreams of a graduating from college.
C) XXX supports Latino students’ dreams of a graduating from college.
D) XXX supports Latino student’s dreams of a graduating from college.
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Responses
latino students' dreams
C) XXX supports Latino students’ dreams of a graduating from college.
The apostrophe (' or ’) is a punctuation mark, and sometimes a diacritical mark, in languages that use the Latin alphabet and some other alphabets. In English, it is used for four purposes: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe
The marking of possessive case of nouns (as in "the eagle's feathers", "in one month's time", "at
your parents' [home]"). - the same link
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/linguistics/6958061-latin...
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Note added at 43 minutos (2021-05-04 16:12:22 GMT)
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more examples:
students' hopes and dreams for the school year! - https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Browse/Search:hopes and ...
conversation about students' own hopes and dreams - the same link
As hopes of international students’ return - https://theconversation.com/as-hopes-of-international-studen...
Most of the economic value of the international education sector comes from students’ spending in the wider economy. - the same link
UNAIR students’ hopes for 2021 - http://news.unair.ac.id/en/2021/01/06/unair-students-hopes-f...
Students’ expectations of higher education are influenced by the type of university and the course they are studying, - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2331186X.2017.1...
quality of the students’ learning experience in higher education - the same link
“students’ independence” - the same link
the complexity of students’ lives - the same link
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Yvonne Gallagher
: "a graduating" is wrong and we don't know how many students//OMG! Of course it's relevent! That determines where the apostrophe goes as we now know it's multiple students so you guessed right as it turns out!
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But the doubt is students'. It's not relevant to know the quantity of students
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philgoddard
: It's multiple students.
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thanks
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Latino student dreams
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Yvonne Gallagher
: = the dreams of Latino students (collectively) and no apostrophe required as "Latino student" =adjectives here
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Catherine JEAN
: "Student dreams" alone could work as a juxtaposed complement form and a broad category of dreams. Latino applies to student, not to dreams so the correct form can only be "Latino students' dreams".
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Thank you for clarifying
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Iran
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Native in: Persian (Farsi) 
Works in: English to Persian (Farsi), Persian (Farsi) to English, French to English, and 5 more.
OPTION (C) CAN BE CORRECT.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: so yes, now we know it's plural students C is correct (once the typo is removed)
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Orkoyen (X)
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Germany
Native EN|PhD|Parmaceuticals|Medical
Native in: English (Variants: UK, US) 
Works in: German to English, Danish to English, English, and 1 more.
the dreams of Latino students
XXX supports the dreams of Latino students of graduating from college.
This scholarship supports the dreams of students committed to studying in the field of graphic arts.
https://whattheythink.com/news/5898-schawk-establishes-endow...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2021-05-04 18:23:54 GMT)
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If you want to avoid using the word “of” too much:
XXX supports the dreams of Latino students who wish to graduate from college.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-05-04 18:33:28 GMT)
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Alternatively:
XXX supports Latino students in pursuing|realising their dreams of graduating.
https://www.ou.edu/alc/upperclass-coaching/meet-the-coaches/...
I believe that coaching is a transformational mentoring dynamic that supports students in realizing their dreams of degree completion.
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Orkoyen (X)
: Well, an arrangement to be preferred
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Yvonne Gallagher
: yes, of course it could be rephrased but the question was really about apostrophes
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France
Tourism Literature 25+ yrs in Education
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French to English, French, and 1 more.
Latino students' dreams
1. With a preposition ex the dreams of Latino students, the menu for today
2. Direct juxtaposition for nouns which are often associated together: ex student accommodation, the dinner table. In this case the first noun is used in singular form almost like an adjective. Some of these end up being merged into one word ex weekend.
3. 's is another way, usually but not exclusively for people or denoting possession ex Jeff's bike, today's menu
I explain solution 3 to my students as follows:
You cannot use two grammatical "s" in a row.
If the noun ends with a plural "s", which is a grammatical suffix, the structure to link the complement is the apostrophe alone.
If the noun ends with a spelling "s" as in Thomas, 's is correct as in Thomas's dream (pronounced "IZ".) This is often simplified to Thomas' especially in spoken English so as to avoid the extra syllable which may sound bizarre. Strictly speaking, it should be 's.
Of course, if the noun has an irregular plural form with no "s" such as mouse-mice, 's can be added to link the complement as in "mice's eating habits".
"Latino students' dreams" falls into the grammatical s ending category (plural) which is not followed by the other grammatical s to link the complement. Apostrophe only.
Hope this helps.
Discussion
I apologize. The rest of the questions stands.
A is wrong on all counts
B doesn't need an apostrophe,
C is for multiple students with dreams and
D for one student
Also, it's "of graduating". Not "of a graduating" or "of a graduate".