Dec 28, 2021 08:02
2 yrs ago
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English term
Türkiye
Sworn Legal & Financial Translator
Native in: Turkish (Variant: Standard-İstanbul ) 
Works in: English to Turkish
Unknown to somebody
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court document
"On a date unknown to her in 201X, the Second Claimant booked with the First Defendant transfers between XXX airport and a hotel in XXX at which it was intended that all four Claimants should stay"
I'm just wondering if this could mean "on a date she cannot recall/remember"?
Thanks
I'm just wondering if this could mean "on a date she cannot recall/remember"?
Thanks
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that they do not know now (can't recall)
Usually, this would mean that the person has simply forgotten the exact date; it could have been worded more clearly in EN. The wider overall context will enable you to check the sequence of events and the logic of the situation — it seems that this booking took place in 201X, but that we are now in the present time (or more recent past) and the person has forgotten the exact date the booking was made.
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Peer comment(s):
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Mark Robertson
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Thanks, Mark!
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Kiet Bach
: It is hard to belief that they do not know now when the case is in court.
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Not really — this is standard practice in this kind of legal document, where the precision of the date is not material. Just as they might write "On or about the 15th April, the house was broken into by person or persons unknown".
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Jennifer Levey
: You seem to be assuming that that 'her' refers to the Second Claimant, but that may well not be the case. What if the previous sentence has identified 'her' as the First Claimant, for example? //When translating, semantics and context rule over syntax.
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Well, grammatically, as it stands, that's what it says. We cannot (and should not) seek to second-guess what MIGHT be in the rest of the text Asker has seen fit not to give us (which I feel sure they would have done if they thought it relevant).
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Yvonne Gallagher
: of course
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Thanks, Yvonne!
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philgoddard
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Thanks, Phil
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writeaway
: English is perfectly clear. Happy 2022 TM!!
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Thanks, W/A! And to you (y)
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Tina Vonhof (X)
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Thanks, Tina!
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Anastasia Kalantzi
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Thanks, Anastasia!
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AllegroTrans
: On a date which *she* does not know now (cannot recall), not "they", which risks confusion with all 4 claimants
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Thanks, C!
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On a date she did not know
On a date she did not know, but she knows now.
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-12-28 09:21:56 GMT)
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On a date (that was) unknown to her (at the time) in 201X, ...
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-12-28 09:43:38 GMT)
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The Second Claimant and the First Defendant did not let her know about the booking.
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-12-28 09:21:56 GMT)
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On a date (that was) unknown to her (at the time) in 201X, ...
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-12-28 09:43:38 GMT)
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The Second Claimant and the First Defendant did not let her know about the booking.
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Tony M
: That's unlikely: if an actual booking took place, she must have been aware what day it was, but simply can no longer recall today. / We cannot make all these assumptions on the basis of context we don't have.
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I was thinking that "her" was not the Second Claimant. There are 4 claimants and maybe other people in this case. / You are making the assumption that "her" is the Second Claimant.
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Jennifer Levey
: Assuming that 'her' does not refer to the Second Claimant (but to one of the other 3 claimants - exactly which of them has probably been identified in a preceding sentence), then this is a valid translation.
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Thank you!
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Yvonne Gallagher
: Ridiculous that you think "On a date (that was) unknown to her (at the time) in 201X," makes any sense. Of course she would have known the date at the time if booked! ...
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philgoddard
: Agree with Yvonne.
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AllegroTrans
: She must have known the date at the actual time of booking; think about it; all of your "explanations" are illogical and frankly ridiculous
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Badri Seyed Jalali
Works in field
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Native in: Persian (Farsi)
Works in: Persian (Farsi), English to Persian (Farsi), Persian (Farsi) to English, and 2 more.
without being known about by her (she doesn’t know)
She doesn’t have the knowledge of the date, simply she doesn’t know the date. One thing to add, it doesn’t necessarily mean that she knew the date before and doesn’t recall it now!
Example sentence:
Unknown to me, my partner was organizing a surprise party for my birthday.
Peer comment(s):
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Yvonne Gallagher
: This is wrong. Of course she would have known the date at the time she made the booking! She can't remember now
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Discussion
Btw this is from a 87 page proceedings report, I don't know why the question's subject was changed from law to conversation. Not that I care about it, but if I were one of the answerers, I wouldn't appreciate it very much.