Jun 6, 2022 16:26
1 yr ago
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French term
complexe isolant
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Construction / Civil Engineering
For the Grand Palais Ephémère in Paris:
L'ossature bois est recouverte par une coque recélant les complexes isolants et acoustiques.
Thank you.
L'ossature bois est recouverte par une coque recélant les complexes isolants et acoustiques.
Thank you.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +1 | thermal insulation composite system | Marco Solinas |
4 +5 | composite insulating and acoustic panels | Tony M |
3 +1 | thermal/acoustic insulation panels | Bashiqa |
4 | NFG - thermal insulation SYSTEM | Bourth |
Proposed translations
+1
14 mins
Selected
thermal insulation composite system
See page 4 of https://qualiteconstruction.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/r... as well as https://www.multipor.com/external-thermal-insulation-composi... and https://isolation.ooreka.fr/astuce/voir/339814/complexe-isol...
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Tony M
: Only partly, you've omitted the acoustic part.
3 mins
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agree |
Bourth
: While the text quoted includes 'acoustique', that is not part of the question. I would omit 'composite', however, since 'system' says the same thing (and 'composite' might be taken to mean 'composite materials', of which there might be none).
6 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "My choice is "composite thermal and acoustic insulation system". While CadastreToulous points out that "system" alone says the same thing, it seems important to specify "composite" because of the multiple materials involved (plaster, mineral wool and air, if air is considered a material). Thank you to all for the useful references and explanations."
+1
15 mins
thermal/acoustic insulation panels
first thing that comes to mind
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Tony M
: Over-interpretation: this is probably only thermal insulation, but acoustic treatment. / 'Panels' is OK, since the use of 'complexe' strongly implies a composite panel.
3 mins
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agree |
philgoddard
: You could possibly leave out "panels", as we don't know that..
36 mins
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Thank you. Likely to be panels as opposed to rolls of material.
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7 hrs
NFG - thermal insulation SYSTEM
"Isolation acoustique et thermique :
-La structure est en lamellé-collé, HABILLÉE À L’INTÉRIEUR d’une ‘COQUE’ qui garantit une forte ISOLATION ACOUSTIQUE AUX RIVERAINS.
-La double-peau extérieure possède également de fortes vertus acoustiques mais aussi thermiques et de ventilation, réduisant ainsi les dépenses énergétiques."
Firstly, from the above (from the architect's site) it would seem your text should be "L'ossature bois est recouverte INTERIEUREMENT par une coque recélant les complexes isolants et acoustiques", though it also seems this 'coque' does not include thermal insulation ...
Secondly, what covers the structure externally is referred to in my quote above not as a 'coque' but as the 'double-peau', and this DOES have thermal insulation properties.
Thirdly, note that the acoustic component is to reduce disturbance to nearby residents, not to abate noise or improve sound quality within the structure.
Bref ... your text might be a journalistic mish-mash attempting to interpret and simplify archi-engineering texts and not quite getting it right. Another site says much the same as Wilmotte:
"Une attention particulière a été portée à la RÉDUCTION DES NUISANCES POUR LES RIVERAINS. Outre sa bonne intégration urbaine et paysagère, le Grand Palais Ephémère présente notamment des capacités très importantes D’ISOLATION PHONIQUE GRÂCE À LA DOUBLE PEAU QUI POSSÈDE DE FORTES VERTUS ACOUSTIQUES."
We also have "La DOUBLE PEAU que forment ces deux derniers éléments est à la fois belle et fonctionnelle, ISOLANT THERMIQUE COMME ACOUSTIQUE.'
I'd avoid words like 'panel' and 'composite' which might be misleadingly specific and go for 'thermal insulation SYSTEM' since the double skin (which comprises the thermal insulation) consists of timber, glass wool, and ETFE cushions:
"La forme "arquée" de la construction, économique et écologique, et sa double peau en bois, laine de verre et éthylène tétrafluoroéthylène possèdent d'importantes vertus thermiques, phoniques et de ventilation, réduisant les dépenses d'énergie."
-La structure est en lamellé-collé, HABILLÉE À L’INTÉRIEUR d’une ‘COQUE’ qui garantit une forte ISOLATION ACOUSTIQUE AUX RIVERAINS.
-La double-peau extérieure possède également de fortes vertus acoustiques mais aussi thermiques et de ventilation, réduisant ainsi les dépenses énergétiques."
Firstly, from the above (from the architect's site) it would seem your text should be "L'ossature bois est recouverte INTERIEUREMENT par une coque recélant les complexes isolants et acoustiques", though it also seems this 'coque' does not include thermal insulation ...
Secondly, what covers the structure externally is referred to in my quote above not as a 'coque' but as the 'double-peau', and this DOES have thermal insulation properties.
Thirdly, note that the acoustic component is to reduce disturbance to nearby residents, not to abate noise or improve sound quality within the structure.
Bref ... your text might be a journalistic mish-mash attempting to interpret and simplify archi-engineering texts and not quite getting it right. Another site says much the same as Wilmotte:
"Une attention particulière a été portée à la RÉDUCTION DES NUISANCES POUR LES RIVERAINS. Outre sa bonne intégration urbaine et paysagère, le Grand Palais Ephémère présente notamment des capacités très importantes D’ISOLATION PHONIQUE GRÂCE À LA DOUBLE PEAU QUI POSSÈDE DE FORTES VERTUS ACOUSTIQUES."
We also have "La DOUBLE PEAU que forment ces deux derniers éléments est à la fois belle et fonctionnelle, ISOLANT THERMIQUE COMME ACOUSTIQUE.'
I'd avoid words like 'panel' and 'composite' which might be misleadingly specific and go for 'thermal insulation SYSTEM' since the double skin (which comprises the thermal insulation) consists of timber, glass wool, and ETFE cushions:
"La forme "arquée" de la construction, économique et écologique, et sa double peau en bois, laine de verre et éthylène tétrafluoroéthylène possèdent d'importantes vertus thermiques, phoniques et de ventilation, réduisant les dépenses d'énergie."
Note from asker:
It is a journalistic text and the target readership is general public, which doesn't exclude people interested in/knowledgeable about archi-engineering. I will read the Moniteur piece that Samuël kindly posted and have another think about the whole thing. |
+5
20 mins
composite insulating and acoustic panels
Antyhing more than this amounts to risking over-interpretation.
The 'insulation' is alsmost certainly only thermal, while the 'acoustique' probably refers more to sound absorption, rather than insulation as such.
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Note added at 19 hrs (2022-06-07 12:13:53 GMT)
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Thanks everyone!
in the light of the additional context that has now come to light, it seems my answer and some of my comments may not in fact be relevant after all.
The 'insulation' is alsmost certainly only thermal, while the 'acoustique' probably refers more to sound absorption, rather than insulation as such.
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Note added at 19 hrs (2022-06-07 12:13:53 GMT)
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Thanks everyone!
in the light of the additional context that has now come to light, it seems my answer and some of my comments may not in fact be relevant after all.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
JaneD
7 mins
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Thanks, Jane!
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neutral |
philgoddard
: Why composite?
33 mins
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Thanks, Phil! That's what 'complex' means in FR: a sandwich of different materials = composite
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agree |
Daryo
: yes, the 'acoustique' part is about reflecting the sound in the right direction (from the stage to the audience) and/or absorbing it.
3 hrs
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Thanks, Daryo! Yes, in these huge places, it's usually to deaden the acoustic and make it less echoey.
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agree |
Anastasia Kalantzi
13 hrs
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agree |
Samuël Buysschaert
17 hrs
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agree |
SafeTex
1 day 7 hrs
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Discussion
"6- Ce complexe isolant associe, entre tôles d’acier et toile tendue, du plâtre, de la laine minérale et de l’air."
© WILMOTTE & ASSOCIES ARCHITECTES
"Sous la membrane extérieure est donc installé un panneau sandwich isolant en tôle d'acier et en laine minérale de 100 à 150 mm d'épaisseur, selon l'orientation.Puis, sous le plenum, viendront se suspendre deux plaques de plâtre de type BA13, surmontées de 100 mm de laine minérale."
"La localisation du Grand Palais éphémère impose de limiter les nuisances acoustiques pour le voisinage."
"Lutter contre la réverbération. Autre enjeu, la réverbération sonore, d'autant plus problématique que le volume est grand.
"Une toile microperforée superposée à de la laine minérale posée en sous face du complexe isolant en plâtre absorbera le son."
https://www.mathis.eu/dynamic/documents/revues_presse/2020_1...
Le Moniteur