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Lelièvre
Aug 10, 2022 16:55
1 yr ago
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French term

talonnage

French to English Other Ships, Sailing, Maritime
Someone who purchased a boat is taking action against the shipbroker and previous owner for having concealed various issues with the boat. The term *talonnage* comes up several times: 'La déstratification a été mise en évidence après aérogommage du revêtement de la coque. A ce stade, il peut être dit que les symptômes décrits dans ... s'apparentent sensiblement à une conséquence liée à une réparation ayant été effectuée à la suite d'un très probable *talonnage* du voilier compte tenu de la zone sur laquelle sont observés ces désordres'. 'Le voilier ayant en effet très probablement percuté un objet ou un fond par l'avant de sa quille (i.e. *talonnage*)'.
Robert & Collins suggests 'heeling' but the following dictionary which I found online suggests 'touching' or 'touch the bottom' for 'talonner', so I'd really like some help from a professional who can hopefully shed some light on this for me. If 'touch the bottom' is correct, does it mean 'touch the bottom of the sea bed' or something else?
Thanks very much in advance if you're able to help me.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 grounding
4 +1 Aground: resting on or touching the ground or bottom.
2 heeling
References
Talloner

Discussion

Sarah Russell (asker) Aug 11, 2022:
@ Althea & Florence Thank you so much for your suggestions. Based on Althea's approach of looking at the verb, it appears that Florence's suggestion of 'touch bottom' does work in relation to boats (IATE). I think I lost sight of the wood as there were too many trees!!
Althea Draper Aug 11, 2022:
Dragging bottom? Mainly American English usage but unfortunately can also be used to mean dragging the bottom for fish.

"Having run over many rocks (hitting hard and dragging bottom), I can vouch that 473rl is rugged."
https://www.seaeagle.com/RazorLite/Reviews/473rl/5

Also -
https://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=801441
https://www.thefisherman.com/article/the-bloody-grounds/
https://captbbrucato.wordpress.com/working-a-hawser-boat/
https://lmtribune.com/northwest/cruise-boats-risk-dragging-b...

Also here in UK English
https://forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/want-to-move-my-8-m...

(There's also 'allision' but that's more of a collision with a stationary object on the side.)
florence metzger Aug 10, 2022:
bottom contact/touching the ground/bottom

Proposed translations

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19 hrs
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grounding

Note the essential difference between 'grounding' (where a boat makes contact with the seabed, rocks or whatever while moving ahead) and the state of being 'aground' (where boat is stationary, in permanent contact with the seabed, rocks, etc.).

In Asker's ST, Le voilier ayant en effet très probablement percuté un objet ou un fond par l'avant de sa quille clearly implies that the boat was moving ahead and hit something (rocks, a wreck, for example).

https://destymarine.com/portfolio-item/keel-grounding/
After a grounding of the vessel had been reported, a split keel joint on a J109 was clear to see. Keel removal and epoxy lamination were required. Fill and fair ...

Grounding: Why there's an increasing number of incidents
It is no longer collisions, but grounding that has become the most common cause of damage on recreational boats. In most cases though, these incidents could be avoided says Holger Flindt of yacht insurance expert Pantaenius.
https://www.pantaenius.com/dk-en/insights/journal/prevention...
Note from asker:
Thanks so much for this Jennifer!
Peer comment(s):
agree Daryo
8 days
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to everyone who helped out with this. Jennifer's suggestion definitely seems to fit the bill."
+1
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Aground: resting on or touching the ground or bottom.

Nautical + Sailing Terms You Should Know [578 Phrases]
https://www.denisonyachtsales.com › ...
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5 juin 2019 — Aground: Resting on or touching the ground or bottom. Ahead: Forward of the bow. Ahoy: A cry to draw attention. A term used to hail a boat ...

Boating Basics Glossary of Nautical Terms - Boat Safe
https://www.boatsafe.com › boating-...
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3 mai 2022 — AGROUND – Touching or fast to the bottom. AHEAD – In a forward direction. ... One boat definition is a small craft carried aboard a ship.
Note from asker:
Thanks so much for your help so far. I've actually just come across this website, which defines 'talonnage' and 'échouement' (the latter of which appears to be the term for running aground): https://www.yachtexpertise.fr/2016/06/30/le-talonnage-et-lechouement/ So for now, I'll work around it and go on the basis that the bottom of the boat hit something and see if any more suggestions are made.
Peer comment(s):
agree Andrew Bramhall : I'm digging my heels in here, and saying you're probably right, sir!
54 mins
Thank you.
neutral Jennifer Levey : The ST phrase très probablement percuté un objet ou un fond par l'avant de sa quille suggests the boat hit something whilst moving ahead; IOW, it wasn't 'aground' .....//No it's not - it's called 'grounding'.
2 hrs
It is still called that, running aground.
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3 hrs

heeling

due to where the boat is said to have struck an object ( l'avant de sa quillle), I think it is heeling rather than just running aground but I know nothing about sailing and boats.
Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmmmjpr-DE4

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Reference comments

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Reference:

Talloner

"3. MAR. [Le suj. désigne un bateau ou, p. méton., l'une de ses parties inférieures] Toucher sur le fond ou sur un écueil par l'arrière de la quille. Le gouvernail talonne. Le brick talonna deux fois et resta immobile (Verne, Enf. cap. Grant, t. 3, 1868, p. 41).Talonner implique que le navire entre immédiatement en eau profonde sans rester échoué (Gruss1978).
− Empl. trans. [Une barque] qui naviguait dans les écueils, talonna un haut-fond (Queffélec, Recteur, 1944, p. 131).Si la mer est trop basse la coque risque de talonner le fond en arrivant sur le plan d'eau (Perpillou, Industr. constr. nav., 1967, p. 14)."
Reference:

http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/talonner

Peer comments on this reference comment:
neutral Drmanu49 : heeling has a different meaning, especially for sailboats.
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