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Feb 4, 2023 20:54
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Danish term
Bind
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I keep running across this word in Danish probate records, where descriptions of houses are included. In this one from Helsingør, dated Nov. 29, 1726, they refer to the property of Peder Jacobsen “…som bestaar af 9 Bind til Stranden, 2 loft højt og op ad Strædet ligeledes 9 Bind, 2 loft højt, herunder er Kielder ganske igennem. Derved op ad Strædet er een Bygning [i?] 14 Bind, eet loft højt, hvor der er end Kiørsel til garden.”
I haven't been able to find any explanation online, although I did find other similar references, e.g. "huset, 12 bind, 2 loft højt. I østende stegers med skorsten. I vestre ende borgstue med borde bænke og kakkelovn."
I haven't been able to find any explanation online, although I did find other similar references, e.g. "huset, 12 bind, 2 loft højt. I østende stegers med skorsten. I vestre ende borgstue med borde bænke og kakkelovn."
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +1 | bay |
Lene Henriksen
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| 3 | Bent |
Michele Fauble
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References
| Half-timbered |
Thomas T. Frost
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Proposed translations
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1 day 4 hrs
Lene Henriksen
Denmark
Denmark
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Works in field
Denmark
Professional Danish Translator
Native in: Danish 
Works in: Danish to English, English to Danish, Swedish to Danish, and 1 more.
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”Bind” (also "bindt") is an obsolete term for ”fag”.
bind:
https://ordnet.dk/ods/ordbog?query=bind#suppl-9641
5.1) (dial., nu næppe br.) om et enkelt fag, binding i bindingsværk. Moth.B174. VSO. MO.
5.1 fag, binding i bindingsværk. + (det var) højst nødvendigt .. at lade tilbygge 6 bind = 5 fag nyt hus. AarbHolbæk.1954.22(forhold o. 1715 ).
bind:
https://netvaerkforbindingsvaerk.dk/wp-content/uploads/KROPS...
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”Fra de bornholmske land- og bybindingsværkshuse, der holdt meget længe fast ved den forældede (og ’forbudte’) styrtrumskonstruktion, helt frem til ca. 1880-erne, kan vi se, at man rejste disse på en helt anden måde end spærfagshusene. Nemlig fra enden, fag for fag, også kaldt ’bindt for bindt’, idet ’bind-bjælkerne’ sørgede for den tværgående stivhed og ’binding’ allerede ved rejsningen.”
fag:
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fag_(bygningsdel)
Ved et fag (fra tysk: fach, grundbetydning: noget sammenføjet[1]) forstås om den flade eller det dertil svarende rum, der ligger mellem to (lodrette) vægstolper i en bindingsværksbygning eller mellem to tagspær (i samme tagside).
fag:
http://vot.teknologisk.dk/_root/media/22320_vot45_2.gif
(Illustration).
bay:
https://historiskatlas.dk/@55.3650120,10.3843960,16z
”Building history
The first reference to a house on the site of the small farm from Melsted is from 1804. At that time, there was a two-winged smallholding, totalling 14 bays, which was insured against fire for 200 rigsdaler.”
bay:
https://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/home/3intrhme.htm
”The basic building block of Chinese architecture is the bay or "the space between," which is the space defined by roof supports.”
Please view the illustration on website.
It is not about the exact measure of the building, but rather the number of "wall sections" between the vertical supporting beams.
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2023-02-06 01:46:58 GMT)
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Text on "bindingsværk" and measurements of "fag":
https://netvaerkforbindingsvaerk.dk/wp-content/uploads/KROPS...
bind:
https://ordnet.dk/ods/ordbog?query=bind#suppl-9641
5.1) (dial., nu næppe br.) om et enkelt fag, binding i bindingsværk. Moth.B174. VSO. MO.
5.1 fag, binding i bindingsværk. + (det var) højst nødvendigt .. at lade tilbygge 6 bind = 5 fag nyt hus. AarbHolbæk.1954.22(forhold o. 1715 ).
bind:
https://netvaerkforbindingsvaerk.dk/wp-content/uploads/KROPS...
Page 13:
”Fra de bornholmske land- og bybindingsværkshuse, der holdt meget længe fast ved den forældede (og ’forbudte’) styrtrumskonstruktion, helt frem til ca. 1880-erne, kan vi se, at man rejste disse på en helt anden måde end spærfagshusene. Nemlig fra enden, fag for fag, også kaldt ’bindt for bindt’, idet ’bind-bjælkerne’ sørgede for den tværgående stivhed og ’binding’ allerede ved rejsningen.”
fag:
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fag_(bygningsdel)
Ved et fag (fra tysk: fach, grundbetydning: noget sammenføjet[1]) forstås om den flade eller det dertil svarende rum, der ligger mellem to (lodrette) vægstolper i en bindingsværksbygning eller mellem to tagspær (i samme tagside).
fag:
http://vot.teknologisk.dk/_root/media/22320_vot45_2.gif
(Illustration).
bay:
https://historiskatlas.dk/@55.3650120,10.3843960,16z
”Building history
The first reference to a house on the site of the small farm from Melsted is from 1804. At that time, there was a two-winged smallholding, totalling 14 bays, which was insured against fire for 200 rigsdaler.”
bay:
https://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/home/3intrhme.htm
”The basic building block of Chinese architecture is the bay or "the space between," which is the space defined by roof supports.”
Please view the illustration on website.
It is not about the exact measure of the building, but rather the number of "wall sections" between the vertical supporting beams.
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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2023-02-06 01:46:58 GMT)
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Text on "bindingsværk" and measurements of "fag":
https://netvaerkforbindingsvaerk.dk/wp-content/uploads/KROPS...
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Michele Fauble
United States
United States
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United States
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Native in: English 
Works in: Norwegian to English, Danish to English, Swedish to English
Bent
“ A bent in American English is a transverse rigid frame (or similar structures such as three-hinged arches). Historically, bents were a common way of making a timber frame;”
“ In British English this assembly is called a "cross frame". The term bent is probably an archaic past tense of the verb to bind, referring to the way the timbers of a bent are joined together. The Dutch word is bint (past participle gebint),[1] the West Frisian is bynt, and the German is bind.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_(structural)
“ In British English this assembly is called a "cross frame". The term bent is probably an archaic past tense of the verb to bind, referring to the way the timbers of a bent are joined together. The Dutch word is bint (past participle gebint),[1] the West Frisian is bynt, and the German is bind.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_(structural)
Reference comments
23 mins
Thomas T. Frost
Portugal
Portugal
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&
English
Portugal
‘Very good precision work’ – Comunica.dk
Native in: Danish (Variant: Standard (rigsdansk)) , English (Variants: UK, British)
Works in: Danish to English, English to Danish, French to Danish
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12
Reference:
Half-timbered
It is most likely related to 'bindingsværk'. See meaning 5 in Ordbog over det danske sprog below. I don't know exactly what a 'bind' refers to in a technical sense. Maybe a vertical beam or a section between two vertical beams.
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Note added at 21 hrs (2023-02-05 18:39:13 GMT)
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From https://netvaerkforbindingsvaerk.dk/wp-content/uploads/KROPS... :
'Fra de bornholmske land- og bybindingsværkshuse, der holdt meget længe fast ved den forældede (og ’forbudte’) styrtrumskonstruktion, helt frem til ca. 1880-erne, kan vi se, at man rejste disse på en helt anden måde end spærfagshusene. Nemlig fra enden, fag for fag, også kaldt ’bindt for bindt’, idet ’bindbjælkerne’ sørgede for den tværgående stivhed og ’binding’ allerede ved rejsningen. '
'Bindt' may well correspond the term Michele found: 'bent'.
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Note added at 21 hrs (2023-02-05 18:39:13 GMT)
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From https://netvaerkforbindingsvaerk.dk/wp-content/uploads/KROPS... :
'Fra de bornholmske land- og bybindingsværkshuse, der holdt meget længe fast ved den forældede (og ’forbudte’) styrtrumskonstruktion, helt frem til ca. 1880-erne, kan vi se, at man rejste disse på en helt anden måde end spærfagshusene. Nemlig fra enden, fag for fag, også kaldt ’bindt for bindt’, idet ’bindbjælkerne’ sørgede for den tværgående stivhed og ’binding’ allerede ved rejsningen. '
'Bindt' may well correspond the term Michele found: 'bent'.
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