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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

LLxCCxAP

English translation:

LLxCCxAP = latero-lateral (LL), cranio-caudal (CC) and antero-posterior (AP) diameters of prostate

Added to glossary by Mariangela Luisa Palazzi
Mar 19, 2023 11:33
1 yr ago
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Italian term

LLxCCxAP

Italian to English Medical Medical (general) prostate
Hi. I am translating a medical report following an MRI of the prostate. The prostate measures something like 5.2x3.6x3.2 cm (LLxCCxAP). How to I translate (LLxCCxAP) in English? Can I leave it as it is or does it require translation? I am not sure what the various measures refer to. Thanks
Proposed translations (English)
3 +1 LLxCCxAP = latero-lateral (LL), cranio-caudal (CC) and antero-posterior (AP) diameters of prostate
4 +3 LLxCCxAP
5 LLxCCxAP
4 5.2 cm wide, 3.6 cm high and 3.2 cm thick
References
Acromed

Discussion

Mariangela Luisa Palazzi (asker) Mar 21, 2023:
As I said, the reason I awarded you the points, Cristina, is because you said what to me is exactly the same thing, but added a relevant and long explanation with relevant (prostate) examples both in English and in Italian. I am sorry I ended up upsetting more than one colleague. Buon lavoro, everybody. And thanks again for all your help.
Cristina Bufi Poecksteiner, M.A. Mar 21, 2023:
calculated prostate volume (PV) I posted my answer because the links and explanation are very useful.
There is nothing wrong in the mentioned explanation and link.

calculated prostate volume (PV)
= antero-posterior (AP), cranio-caudal (CC) and latero-lateral (LL) diameters of the prostate through the ellipsoid formula

Benign prostatic enlargement can be influenced by metabolic profile: results of a multicenter prospective study
Background:
In last years Metabolic Syndrome (MetS) has been closely associated to Benign Prostatic Enlargement (BPE) Aim of our study is to evaluate the effect of MetS and each single MetS parameter on prostate growth in men surgically treated for BPE.
Methods:
Overall, 379 men were prospectively enrolled in two tertiary referral centers. Calculated prostate volume (PV) was measured with transrectal US defining the antero-posterior (AP), the cranio-caudal (CC) and the latero-lateral (LL) diameters through the ellipsoid formula, while raw PV was calculated by suprapubic US. MetS was defined according to the NCEP-ATPIII criteria.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28376747/
Luigi Argentino Mar 21, 2023:
@JudyC You are too fair. Chapeau!
JudyC Mar 21, 2023:
@Mariangela Don't worry, you don't need to reverse anything !!
Luigi Argentino Mar 21, 2023:
@Mariangela Thanks a lot for your clarifications and .............. you don't have to apologize. Have. a nice evening
JudyC Mar 21, 2023:
@Luigi It's my fault for not posting my answer immediately. But I'm not particularly interested in points, I enjoy the terminological challenge and I like to help indirectly, which is why I often stick to the Discussion section. Cristina probably has more use for the points, and it's true that I posted my answer after her.

@Lirka
I think Mariangela thought you were suggesting she could leave out the measurements and just say the prostate was enlarged!
Mariangela Luisa Palazzi (asker) Mar 21, 2023:
Hi, I am sorry, if I got it wrong. I have thanked Judy for her answer as it was very helpful, but I thought right to award the points to the colleague who had given me a fuller explanation with references also to Italian and English texts. I am sorry I didn't realise that Judy had answered my queries correctly before anybody else. I understand that, together, the measures indicate a volume, but I couldn't see anything wrong in definining each of them a diameter since the report talked of cm. I wish I could award points also to Judy. Perhaps I should have done the other way around, thank Cristina for her detailed explanation but chosen Judy's answer for Kudoz. If you tell me how to reverse what I did, without offending Cristina who has been so helpful, I would happily change the selection. I am grateful to all my colleagues that have posted professional answers to my query and also to those who have challenged my selection. This is what makes Kudoz so valuable.
Lirka Mar 21, 2023:
@Luigi True, and Aura D actually indicated it at 22 mins already! I would have preferred to spell it out as I suggested, but if this is not desired, then Aura's answer could be credited, too.

Incidentally, Asker is a true gem (I did not even bother answering her exclamation below my answer; not that I even understood what she meant) LOLs
Luigi Argentino Mar 21, 2023:
I still don't understnd but probably it's my fault Hi Mariangela, I just now had the chance to see some answers and I'm sincerely surprised that Judy's answer wasn't chosen. She was the first one to propose in the discussion the right indication to understand each acronym (Lirka's answer was partially correct). And then she posted her reply. Yes, she answered after another correct reply (and a long explanation), but I think that it is thanks to Judy that the right path was pointed. To be fair, I'd have chosen her answer.
Or am I missing something?
Moreover, in the answer you chose, there is a wrong indication. These acronyms don't define a length (diameter) but a volume (the prostate is probably increased in its size)
Lirka Mar 19, 2023:
@Phil&Joseph: width x height x depth = Volume What else?
philgoddard Mar 19, 2023:
You should put that as an answer, Judy.
Joseph Tein Mar 19, 2023:
agree with Judy Ciao, Judy. Thanks for this clear explanation. I just found these in Acromed as well (see reference).
JudyC Mar 19, 2023:
what they stand for http://radclass.mudr.org/category/tags/calculator

Estimate of liver volume on CT or MRI - calculator

This formula can be used to estimate volume of the liver on crossectional imaging methods by measuring its maximum dimension in three perpendicular axes - caudocranial (CC), latero-lateral (LL), antero-posterior (AP). A normal value is considered <2000mL.

Volume = CC x LL x AP x 0.31

Proposed translations

+1
21 hrs
Italian term (edited): LLxCCxAP = diametro latero-laterale (LL), cranio-caudale (CC) e antero-posteriore (AP) di prostata
Selected

LLxCCxAP = latero-lateral (LL), cranio-caudal (CC) and antero-posterior (AP) diameters of prostate

LLxCCxAP = latero-lateral (LL), cranio-caudal (CC) and antero-posterior (AP) diameters of the prostate

LLxCCxAP = diametro latero-laterale (LL), diametro cranio-caudale (CC) e diametro antero-posteriore (AP) della prostata

calculated prostate volume (PV)
= antero-posterior (AP), cranio-caudal (CC) and latero-lateral (LL) diameters of the prostate through the ellipsoid formula

Benign prostatic enlargement can be influenced by metabolic profile: results of a multicenter prospective study
Background:
In last years Metabolic Syndrome (MetS) has been closely associated to Benign Prostatic Enlargement (BPE) Aim of our study is to evaluate the effect of MetS and each single MetS parameter on prostate growth in men surgically treated for BPE.
Methods:
Overall, 379 men were prospectively enrolled in two tertiary referral centers. Calculated prostate volume (PV) was measured with transrectal US defining the antero-posterior (AP), the cranio-caudal (CC) and the latero-lateral (LL) diameters through the ellipsoid formula, while raw PV was calculated by suprapubic US. MetS was defined according to the NCEP-ATPIII criteria.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28376747/

Cos’è la prostata?
La prostata è una ghiandola annessa all’apparato genitale maschile di tutti i mammiferi, uomo incluso.
A cosa serve la prostata? La sua funzione principale consiste nella produzione ed emissione del liquido seminale, veicolo naturale degli spermatozoi e mezzo ideale per la loro sopravvivenza e motilità. Il liquido seminale, insieme agli spermatozoi, costituisce lo sperma.
Prostata anatomia
Le caratteristiche morfologiche e funzionali della prostata e delle altre ghiandole annesse all’apparato genitale maschile sono regolate dalla presenza del testosterone e degli altri ormoni androgeni. La prostata è un organo di dimensioni molto piccole in età infantile e che si accresce durante la pubertà fino a raggiungere alla età di 20 anni una media di 3 cm in diametro cranio-caudale, 4 cm in diametro latero-laterale e 2,5 cm in diametro antero-posteriore. La prostata di un giovane adulto ha un peso medio di circa 20 grammi. Con l’invecchiamento aumenta di volume (ipertrofia prostatica) causando difficoltà urinarie per compressione della porzione prostatica dell’uretra.
https://www.studiourologicogallo.it/prostata
Peer comment(s):
agree Joseph Tein
1 day 8 hrs
thanks Joseph
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Perfect, all clear now. I didn't know where to find this information. Thank you!"
15 mins

5.2 cm wide, 3.6 cm high and 3.2 cm thick

I'd just put it in simple En terms.

This prostate is enlarged.

HTH
Note from asker:
Absolutely not! It is a medical report, details are important!
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39 mins

LLxCCxAP

LL: Longitudinal Length
CC: Transverse/Cross-Sectional Width
AP: Anterior-Posterior Depth

Yes, you can leave it as it is :)
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : You haven't given references. Is there any kind of length apart from longitudinal? Why would CC stand for transverse/cross-sectional width?
7 hrs
neutral Joseph Tein : Can you provide reliable references that show LL=longitudinal length, or CC=transverse width, or are these guesses? (agree that AP = anterior-posterior) Since you're new: the more reliable support you provide for your answers, the more useful they are.
7 hrs
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+3
22 hrs

LLxCCxAP

See discussion

...maximum dimension measured in three perpendicular axes :
- caudocranial [or craniocaudal] (CC)
latero-lateral (LL)
antero-posterior (AP).

can be left abbreviated, these are widely used abbreviations
Note from asker:
Thank you, Judy, much clearer now. I have given the points to the colleague because she gave me a long explanation. But thank you for your help as well.
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard
3 hrs
agree Luigi Argentino
1 day 7 hrs
agree Joseph Tein
1 day 7 hrs
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Reference comments

8 hrs
Reference:

Acromed

Acromed is the most comprehensive online resource for Italian medical initialisms and acronyms.

All three of these initialisms appear:

AP = antero-posteriore
CC= craneo-caudal (cranio-caudale)
LL - latero-laterale

You canmust never assume that you can just leave abbreviations / initialisms / acronyms as they, untranslated, unless you know clearly what they stand for. In this case, Judy has shown us that the same letters work as English terms.




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Note added at 8 hrs (2023-03-19 19:46:03 GMT)
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Oops...sorry for the typo. "You must never assume ... "

Wish we could go back in and edit these comments :)
Reference:

http://acromed.blogspot.it/

Note from asker:
Thank you, Joseph. The reference to acromed is extremely useful for future projects and for other colleagues that will look up this entry. Thank you
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree philgoddard
18 hrs
agree JudyC
1 day 12 hrs
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