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Mar 22, 2023 02:31
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French term
rame
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I don't quite understand "rame" in the text below:
"On aperçoit un plan d’ensemble du tramway qui arrive à une station du centre-ville. Plusieurs personnes se tiennent sur la ***rame***. Puis on aperçoit un homme qui marche le long de la ***rame*** alors que le tramway quitte la station."
Thanks for suggestions.
"On aperçoit un plan d’ensemble du tramway qui arrive à une station du centre-ville. Plusieurs personnes se tiennent sur la ***rame***. Puis on aperçoit un homme qui marche le long de la ***rame*** alors que le tramway quitte la station."
Thanks for suggestions.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 | tramset | Bourth |
4 +1 | streetcar/tram | philgoddard |
References
Rame (chemin de fer) | Charles R. |
Change log
Mar 22, 2023 04:34: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Social Sciences" to "Other"
Proposed translations
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tramset
Very long tramsets (over 60 metres in some cases) are awkward to accommodate in cities with short blocks. A second tramset cannot begin to enter a short block until it is certain that the tramset in front will move.
https://www.aptnsw.org.au/documents/lrtprocon.html
As with many early U.S. systems, MTOC operated tramsets consisting of an open-sided "grip," from which the driver moved the vehicles by gripping and releasing the moving underground cables.
https://riid.tripod.com/cable.html
In Vienna and similar cities, trams much more frequently operate along their own rights-of-way and often run in tramsets of two, three or more cars.
https://medium.com/@PeterTSmith/placing-a-baltimore-streetca...
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As Polyglot points out, it's probably by analogy with 'trainset'.
The difficulty is that while a train is necessarily a 'set' (otherwise it's a locomotive), trams run both as single cars and multiple cars hitched together.
Do not confuse with 'train set' (or 'tram set'), as Wikipedia points out:
"Train set
A toy train with its tracks, buildings, etc.[256]
Trainset
A group of rolling stock that is permanently or semi-permanently coupled together to form a unified set of equipment. Trainsets are most often used in passenger train configurations.
There might well be another term. It's not easy to find 'tramset' in isolation from 'Alstom'. According the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Alstom is (or was) the second-largest manufacturer of trams with 20% of the world market (this may have been before they took over Bombardier). What do other manufacturers say, I wonder. I suspect they simply say 'tram', leaving the reader to understand whether it is a 'single-car tram' or a 'multi-car tram'.
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Bother, missed a < /b>.
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Actually, now that I see this is about Alberta, this might need specific localisation. I'm not actually aware of any trams in Alberta, but Calgary and Edmonton have LRT (light-rail transit) systems which, in French parlance, are probably called tramways. When they are up I'll try to check with cousins Darlene and Dixie in Calgary and Edmonton ;-), but I suspect locals will call simply call their rame the CTrain or LRT train. It is true though that Calgary's CTrain is a light metro train that "in the downtown free-fare zone trains transitions into a tram with a dedicated right-of-way".
https://www.aptnsw.org.au/documents/lrtprocon.html
As with many early U.S. systems, MTOC operated tramsets consisting of an open-sided "grip," from which the driver moved the vehicles by gripping and releasing the moving underground cables.
https://riid.tripod.com/cable.html
In Vienna and similar cities, trams much more frequently operate along their own rights-of-way and often run in tramsets of two, three or more cars.
https://medium.com/@PeterTSmith/placing-a-baltimore-streetca...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2023-03-22 10:36:39 GMT)
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As Polyglot points out, it's probably by analogy with 'trainset'.
The difficulty is that while a train is necessarily a 'set' (otherwise it's a locomotive), trams run both as single cars and multiple cars hitched together.
Do not confuse with 'train set' (or 'tram set'), as Wikipedia points out:
"Train set
A toy train with its tracks, buildings, etc.[256]
Trainset
A group of rolling stock that is permanently or semi-permanently coupled together to form a unified set of equipment. Trainsets are most often used in passenger train configurations.
There might well be another term. It's not easy to find 'tramset' in isolation from 'Alstom'. According the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Alstom is (or was) the second-largest manufacturer of trams with 20% of the world market (this may have been before they took over Bombardier). What do other manufacturers say, I wonder. I suspect they simply say 'tram', leaving the reader to understand whether it is a 'single-car tram' or a 'multi-car tram'.
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Note added at 8 hrs (2023-03-22 10:37:42 GMT)
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Bother, missed a < /b>.
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Note added at 13 hrs (2023-03-22 16:17:14 GMT)
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Actually, now that I see this is about Alberta, this might need specific localisation. I'm not actually aware of any trams in Alberta, but Calgary and Edmonton have LRT (light-rail transit) systems which, in French parlance, are probably called tramways. When they are up I'll try to check with cousins Darlene and Dixie in Calgary and Edmonton ;-), but I suspect locals will call simply call their rame the CTrain or LRT train. It is true though that Calgary's CTrain is a light metro train that "in the downtown free-fare zone trains transitions into a tram with a dedicated right-of-way".
Peer comment(s):
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polyglot45
: probably by analogy - a new one for me
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It IS difficult to find the word without Alstom being involved, though.
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disagree |
philgoddard
: This is a technical term that's not used in general conversation.
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It might still be useful for someone who needs it in a technical situation.
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Comment: "Merci"
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streetcar/tram
My reference says "train", but that's obviously not the case here. I don't know why they've used two words, rame and tramway, to refer to the same thing.
http://www.wordreference.com/fren/rame
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As Conor says, you could say "carriage" if you want to use two words.
In the second sentence, you could say "walking along the tram as it leaves the stop/station". It's not clear whether he's inside or out.
http://www.wordreference.com/fren/rame
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As Conor says, you could say "carriage" if you want to use two words.
In the second sentence, you could say "walking along the tram as it leaves the stop/station". It's not clear whether he's inside or out.
Reference comments
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Reference:
Rame (chemin de fer)
2. CH. DE FER
a) Rame (de voitures, de wagons). Groupe de wagons à l'arrêt, sans engin moteur et destiné à constituer un train. On voyait sur le quai (...) une rame de wagons qu'une locomotive de manœuvre entraînait (Van der Meersch, Empreinte dieu, 1936, p. 246):
Prenons l'exemple d'un train de voyageurs: la rame de voitures doit d'abord être amenée à quai assez longtemps avant l'heure de départ (...). Cette rame vient d'un faisceau de garage où, depuis sa dernière course, elle a été visitée et nettoyée. P. Weil, Les Chemins de fer, Paris, Larousse, 1964, p. 318.
b) Train constitué avec son ou ses engins moteurs. Rame de chemin de fer. Composée de deux motrices encadrant dix remorques, chaque rame TGV A [Train à grande vitesse Atlantique], longue de 240 m, pourra emporter 500 voyageurs (La Vie du rail, 7 mars 1985, n o1984, p. 14).
− En partic. Rame (de métro). Chaque ensemble de voitures et de motrices. C'était la station Dauphine On a laissé partir la rame (Aragon, Rom. inach., 1956, p. 28).
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/rame
a) Rame (de voitures, de wagons). Groupe de wagons à l'arrêt, sans engin moteur et destiné à constituer un train. On voyait sur le quai (...) une rame de wagons qu'une locomotive de manœuvre entraînait (Van der Meersch, Empreinte dieu, 1936, p. 246):
Prenons l'exemple d'un train de voyageurs: la rame de voitures doit d'abord être amenée à quai assez longtemps avant l'heure de départ (...). Cette rame vient d'un faisceau de garage où, depuis sa dernière course, elle a été visitée et nettoyée. P. Weil, Les Chemins de fer, Paris, Larousse, 1964, p. 318.
b) Train constitué avec son ou ses engins moteurs. Rame de chemin de fer. Composée de deux motrices encadrant dix remorques, chaque rame TGV A [Train à grande vitesse Atlantique], longue de 240 m, pourra emporter 500 voyageurs (La Vie du rail, 7 mars 1985, n o1984, p. 14).
− En partic. Rame (de métro). Chaque ensemble de voitures et de motrices. C'était la station Dauphine On a laissé partir la rame (Aragon, Rom. inach., 1956, p. 28).
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/rame
Discussion
devant a du sens, "se tiennent devant la rame" ou "se tiennent sur le quai" à la limite mais sur ??
ou à la rame à la rigueur dans le cas du "train surfing" (Cf. lien d'Emmanuella)
"se tiennent sur la rame" j'ai du mal à comprendre cette partie. //
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/marseille-un-adoles...
As I say below, "carriage" is a handy workaround in this context (a cheat really, but needs must).
"rame de tramway
Véhicule ferroviaire généralement à traction électrique, circulant principalement en surface sur rails plats en zone urbaine et composé de plusieurs voitures."
https://vitrinelinguistique.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/fiche-gdt/fiche/...
https://www.wordreference.com/fren/rame
See definition 3 (1).
A single "unit" of a tram.
Trams in France are usually made up of two carriages.
The term "voiture" is used for the same thing in heavy rail, for example TGVs.