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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

salutierende Händer

English translation:

saluting (hands) / (high guard hands)

Added to glossary by Barbara L Pavlik
Nov 14, 2023 18:23
6 mos ago
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German term

salutierende Händer

German to English Medical Medical (general) Fetal presentation
"Spontanpartus eines lebensfrischen, weiblichen NG aus I. voHHL mit salutierenden Händen"

Not sure if this simply means hands-first, or if it refers to something more specific such as the "nuchal hands" referred to in this article: https://www.simplyborn.com/blog/2021/birth-presentation#:~:t...

But the idea of saluting or greeting isn't consistent with the idea that the hands are tucked up beside their head or face. Thanks in advance for any insights.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 saluting (hands) / (high guard hands)
References
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salutierender Hand

Discussion

uyuni Nov 15, 2023:
The 'saluting' gesture of the newborn can be a mere result of fetal presentation once out of the birth canal, sometimes romanticized as a greeting behavior, but may also indicate neonatal distress (cf. sources below). The term ('saluting'), however, remains the same regardless of the setting. It is just a descriptive phrase...
Stuart and Aida Nelson Nov 15, 2023:
voHHL = vordere Hinterhauptslage" (voHHL) or 'occiput anterior position', which should be one of the best positions for birth. Yes, by all means the sentence also refers to the position of the baby as it was being born. However, I think the 'salutierende Haenden' part may refer to the baby's body language after birth. According to Uyuni's reference it would be a sign of stress and it could be the contrast between a normal birth position but the baby girl being stressed after the event.
Barbara L Pavlik (asker) Nov 15, 2023:
Lively @phil... yes, we usually translate lebenfrisch as "lively"
Barbara L Pavlik (asker) Nov 15, 2023:
Hmmm, I was thinking that this sentence referred to the position of the baby as it was being born, but given uyuni's references and looking back at the sentence, it's really not clear that it meant that or if it referred to the baby's body language just after birth. What impression do you all have?
Bernd Runge Nov 15, 2023:
Hallo Barbara,
ich glaube mit den nuchal hands bist du zumindest schon sehr dicht dran. Sonst eine Umschreibung wie baby's hand(s) below/at its head in labour.
philgoddard Nov 14, 2023:
http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/baby-salutes-marine-dad-ador...

It seems a shame to use a technical term for such a colourful image.

Here's an example of 'lebensfrisch' - I'm not sure how I'd translate it. Lively?
www.swissmom.ch/de/baby/das-neugeborene/der-apgar-test

Proposed translations

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saluting (hands) / (high guard hands)

Infant stress/disengagement cues:....*saluting*....
https://www.texaschildrens.org/sites/default/files/uploads/d...

Defensive/avoidance behavior:...finger splays, *‘high guard hands’, ‘saluting’*
https://kids.bwc.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Neonatal-...

*Saluting* or waving. Extended arms and/or legs. Finger splaying. “Protective maneuvers” hands over face or fisting.
http://www.lhp.leedsth.nhs.uk/detail.aspx?id=5788

BTW: In the caption it should read 'Händen' not 'Händer'...


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Note added at 11 Stunden (2023-11-15 06:21:37 GMT)
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Stress signals: “I am not happy and need a change.”...*Saluting*, yawning, cooer change...
https://www.nygh.on.ca/sites/default/files/2023-08/NYGH-Pare...

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Note added at 11 Stunden (2023-11-15 06:23:29 GMT)
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Apologies: 'color' not 'cooer', arrgh..
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard : I can't find a definition of "high guard", and I'm not sure if it means the same as saluting.
1 day 6 hrs
Thank you very much, Phil. 'High guard hands' is mentioned in a row with 'saluting' as an example of the newborn's defensive behavior on page 84 of my second reference (from above).
agree Stuart and Aida Nelson
3 days 7 hrs
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Reference comments

11 hrs
Reference:

Das ist gemeint:

Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Stuart and Aida Nelson : but there is no page 11 or 12, I can only see 5 pages and 'Salutieren' is on page 3.
9 hrs
THX for the clarification. No clue how I came across pages 11 and 12. It's pages 256 and 257 in the original document.
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20 hrs
Reference:

salutierender Hand

Zum Schluss brauchten wir dann etwas tiefe Hocke Power und als dann Antje die zweite Hebamme da war kamst du mit salutierender Hand in Mamas Arme geschlüpft. Dein Papa und Deine Mama waren überglücklich und bald schon öffnetest Du deine Augen zum ersten Mal.

https://haerzchlopfae-hebamme.ch/willkommen-neue-babys/

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Note added at 20 hrs (2023-11-15 15:00:01 GMT)
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I don't know if this is just a literary compound or if it has something to do with medicine in the context
Peer comments on this reference comment:
neutral Cilian O'Tuama : For glossary (and other) purposes, better to keep it in nominative. Same goes for Asker.
10 days
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