Nov 7, 2004 08:00
19 yrs ago
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French term
Suzanah
terre crue
French to English
Other
Materials (Plastics, Ceramics, etc.)
Material
The term is used to describe from what a house is made.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | NFG: raw earth, pisé, but see comments below |
Richard Benham
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| 5 | Adobe |
lindaellen (X)
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| 5 | earthen construction |
Bourth (X)
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| 4 | unburt earth |
Francis MARC
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| 4 -1 | baked (burnt) clay , terra cotta |
1964
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| 3 | raw clay |
gulser (X)
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Richard Benham
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NFG: raw earth, pisé, but see comments below
I have heard several "alternative" types talking about this, and I can say the following.
Houses can be made out of raw clay, and this is generally known as "mud-brick construction". Or, if the soil is not so clayey, there is a material called "rammed earth" or "pisé" the latter in BOTH French and English).
The reference seems to be about "terre crue", but quotes an author saying « Avant de choisir un matériau pour construire, n’oubliez pas de penser au pisé ! » So there is some possiblity "terre crue" specifically refers to pisé.
On the other hand, to play it safe, "raw earth" seems a good choice.
But I would avoid any expression containing "clay", as there is no evidence that spcecifically clayey earth is intended.
Houses can be made out of raw clay, and this is generally known as "mud-brick construction". Or, if the soil is not so clayey, there is a material called "rammed earth" or "pisé" the latter in BOTH French and English).
The reference seems to be about "terre crue", but quotes an author saying « Avant de choisir un matériau pour construire, n’oubliez pas de penser au pisé ! » So there is some possiblity "terre crue" specifically refers to pisé.
On the other hand, to play it safe, "raw earth" seems a good choice.
But I would avoid any expression containing "clay", as there is no evidence that spcecifically clayey earth is intended.
Peer comment(s):
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1964
: I do not think any clay can be used unless processed by heat or sunlight -Mud brick? Sure it is but sun-dried brick, or adobe
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Hmm. I don't think sunlight counts. Anyway, thousands of middle-aged hippies have build houses out of unbaked clay--they call them mud-brick houses.//What is your point exactly?
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Dylan Edwards
: Buried somewhere in this website, there are the terms "terre crue" and "raw earth": www.dab.uts.edu.au/ebi/pdf/Dethier.pdf - from this I gather that "terre crue"/"raw earth" is a general term used by those who study earth architecture in all its variety.
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Sounds reasonable to me.
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Bourth (X)
: Yes: raw earth is a generic term for a variety of construction techniques using earth, specifically those in which the earth (clay etc.) is not fired or baked (as in bricks) other than simply by natural processes (sun). As opposed to "terre cuite".
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Comment: "Graded automatically based on peer agreement."
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baked (burnt) clay , terra cotta
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that is for terre cuite but not for terre crue, I assumed there is a typo
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df49f (X)
: si elle est "crue" en Français, il y a des chances qu'elle ne soit pas "cuite" en Anglais! comment arrivez-vous à justifier de proposer l'inverse?!!
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Well, mostly adobe or any other clay based material denoted as their final baking/drying process, if it is not "baked" it must be adobe or sun-dried mud brick
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raw clay
raw clay
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http://www.oldandsold.com/articles05/pottery1.shtml
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http://www.dit.ie/DIT/built/environment/stonebrickmortar.htm...
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googling \"raw clay\" gives 4330 results
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q="raw clay"
no result for \"unburt earth\"
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http://www.oldandsold.com/articles05/pottery1.shtml
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Note added at 26 mins (2004-11-07 08:27:29 GMT)
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http://www.dit.ie/DIT/built/environment/stonebrickmortar.htm...
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googling \"raw clay\" gives 4330 results
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q="raw clay"
no result for \"unburt earth\"
Peer comment(s):
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msuzana
: That depends on the context that is, if you are talking only about raw material, but for building material it can be another term. EG on the site for terre cuit, it says fired clay which can be known commercially as terra cotta. Thanks
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thanks for your comment
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Richard Benham
: There is no reason to assume that it is clay--non-clayey soil can also be used as a building material.++Have you tried Googling "unburNt-earth"?
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unburt earth
anciennement des murs étaient construits en terre avec torchis de paille ou en briques de terre crue. il y en a encore quelques unes dans le Dauphiné.
Termium:
Domaine(s)
– Construction and Civil Engineering
Domaine(s)
– Construction (bâtiment et génie civil)
unburnt Source
cru Source
OBS – (brick) Source
OBS – D'immenses cités comme
Babylone furent construites en
brique, crue ou cuite. (
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*** Voir également ce site :
Earth Houses. ... Sustainable Construction > Earth Houses. ...
dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Environment_and_Nature/ Sustainable_Development/Architecture/Earth_Houses/ - 9k
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***Ooops it is of course \"UNBURNT\" (thanks Richard) as mentioned in the references given, sorry for that typo
Termium:
Domaine(s)
– Construction and Civil Engineering
Domaine(s)
– Construction (bâtiment et génie civil)
unburnt Source
cru Source
OBS – (brick) Source
OBS – D'immenses cités comme
Babylone furent construites en
brique, crue ou cuite. (
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Note added at 29 mins (2004-11-07 08:29:48 GMT)
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*** Voir également ce site :
Earth Houses. ... Sustainable Construction > Earth Houses. ...
dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Environment_and_Nature/ Sustainable_Development/Architecture/Earth_Houses/ - 9k
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Note added at 1 hr 3 mins (2004-11-07 09:03:53 GMT)
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***Ooops it is of course \"UNBURNT\" (thanks Richard) as mentioned in the references given, sorry for that typo
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Adobe
This is sun-dried bricks made of clay and straw, often found in the American Southwest, and Mexico. The word is Spanish, but common in Amer. Eng. (Random House Webster's Coll, Dict.)
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earthen construction
Depending on how the words fit into the sentence, you might be able to use this. If, for ex. your text says "Les logements sont en terre crue", you could say "Houses are of earthen construction".
The term applies to the raw-earth techniques RB refers to above, despite the fact that at first appearance one might think it refers to "terre cuite" as well. But since we don't really have a convenient term for "terre cuite" in English (instead we will talk about "bricks" or "ceramic", etc.), this term is by default an equivalent of "raw earth".
Earthen Building Techniques: Reading and Resource List
Earthen construction techniques, while housing over 50% of the world's population, are not generally considered mainstream approaches in the United States. So called "alternative construction" approaches gained followers in the United States due to the energy crises of the 1970s. More recently, higher lumber prices, and the potential for lower overall environmental impact have further increased interest in using earthen construction techniques. Adobe, superadobe, "cast" earth, PISE, cob, "Earthships," rammed earth, and wattle and daub are examples of these earth-based construction approaches. The following are sources of information on these building techniques.
[http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/reading_resources/ve...]
Earthen Construction (Adobe, Cob, Rammed Earth and Pise)
Earthen Construction uses earth, in some form, as the primary building material. Earthen construction is thermal mass with no insulation and is especially well adapted to dry areas with large swings between daytime and nighttime temperatures.
• Adobe construction uses earth and straw formed into sun-dried bricks which are then laid up into walls.
• Cob is a mixture of earth, sand and straw which is used wet to form thick walls or built-in furniture.
• Rammed earth is earth compressed (rammed) into removable formwork.
• PISE or pneumatically impacted structural earth is wet earth blown like gunite against formwork.
[www.one-world-design.com/glossary.asp]
**Interesting that the ancient French term "pisé" has developed into an English acronym!!!**
Cob is one of many methods for building with raw earth, the world's commonest construction material. It surpasses related techniques such as adobe, rammed earth pise, and compressed earth bricks both in ease of construction and freedom of design. Since you don't need straight forms or rectilinear molds, cob lends itself to organic shapes: curved walls, arches and vaults. Building with cob is a sensory and aesthetic experience like sculpting with clay. You can add on, cut out, or reshape at any time, even after the cob is dry. Unlike adobe, cob can be built in cool damp climates like the Pacific Northwest: its resistance to rain and cold makes cob well suited in all but the coldest parts of America. … Cob is a recent arrival in the United States. Except for adobe in the Southwest, earthen building is virtually unknown here. In other parts of the world, cob and similar techniques have been popular for millennia.
[http://www.cobcottage.com/question.html]
The term applies to the raw-earth techniques RB refers to above, despite the fact that at first appearance one might think it refers to "terre cuite" as well. But since we don't really have a convenient term for "terre cuite" in English (instead we will talk about "bricks" or "ceramic", etc.), this term is by default an equivalent of "raw earth".
Earthen Building Techniques: Reading and Resource List
Earthen construction techniques, while housing over 50% of the world's population, are not generally considered mainstream approaches in the United States. So called "alternative construction" approaches gained followers in the United States due to the energy crises of the 1970s. More recently, higher lumber prices, and the potential for lower overall environmental impact have further increased interest in using earthen construction techniques. Adobe, superadobe, "cast" earth, PISE, cob, "Earthships," rammed earth, and wattle and daub are examples of these earth-based construction approaches. The following are sources of information on these building techniques.
[http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/reading_resources/ve...]
Earthen Construction (Adobe, Cob, Rammed Earth and Pise)
Earthen Construction uses earth, in some form, as the primary building material. Earthen construction is thermal mass with no insulation and is especially well adapted to dry areas with large swings between daytime and nighttime temperatures.
• Adobe construction uses earth and straw formed into sun-dried bricks which are then laid up into walls.
• Cob is a mixture of earth, sand and straw which is used wet to form thick walls or built-in furniture.
• Rammed earth is earth compressed (rammed) into removable formwork.
• PISE or pneumatically impacted structural earth is wet earth blown like gunite against formwork.
[www.one-world-design.com/glossary.asp]
**Interesting that the ancient French term "pisé" has developed into an English acronym!!!**
Cob is one of many methods for building with raw earth, the world's commonest construction material. It surpasses related techniques such as adobe, rammed earth pise, and compressed earth bricks both in ease of construction and freedom of design. Since you don't need straight forms or rectilinear molds, cob lends itself to organic shapes: curved walls, arches and vaults. Building with cob is a sensory and aesthetic experience like sculpting with clay. You can add on, cut out, or reshape at any time, even after the cob is dry. Unlike adobe, cob can be built in cool damp climates like the Pacific Northwest: its resistance to rain and cold makes cob well suited in all but the coldest parts of America. … Cob is a recent arrival in the United States. Except for adobe in the Southwest, earthen building is virtually unknown here. In other parts of the world, cob and similar techniques have been popular for millennia.
[http://www.cobcottage.com/question.html]
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