Apr 18, 2010 10:37
14 yrs ago
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French term
paiement au prix de la course
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droit des successions
Paiement au prix de la course
L'héritier paie les créanciers chirographaires à mesure qu'ils se présentent jusqu'à épuisement, le cas échéant, de l'actif net.
qui peut se résumer par l'adage « premier arrivé, premier servi », avec pour conséquence que le créancier moins diligent peut se voir opposer l'épuisement du passif, alors que son prédécesseur plus rapide aura été totalement désintéressé
L'héritier paie les créanciers chirographaires à mesure qu'ils se présentent jusqu'à épuisement, le cas échéant, de l'actif net.
qui peut se résumer par l'adage « premier arrivé, premier servi », avec pour conséquence que le créancier moins diligent peut se voir opposer l'épuisement du passif, alors que son prédécesseur plus rapide aura été totalement désintéressé
Proposed translations
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Change log
Apr 18, 2010 11:49: writeaway changed "Field (specific)" from "Law (general)" to "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters"
Proposed translations
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payment to unsecured creditors until the exhaustion of the assets
Based on the explanation of Matthew LaSon (which is very good!) and on a couple dictionaries... I think translation by explanation is the only option here, otherwise it makes no sense, as you guys have pointed out
Example sentence:
The creditors of the deceased will be paid until the exhaustion of the assets
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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Sylvie Chartier
Canada
Canada
Native in French
Works in field
Canada
30+ years experience, Trados user
Native in: French (Variants: Canadian, Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French, French
payment at the expense of a race
Le paiement dépend de la course
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: this means nothing in English. it's clearly explained in the text provided: premier arrivé, premier servi
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philgoddard
: Nothing to do with races.
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prize payment according to events
Something in this direction...
According to the course of the events.
According to the course of the events.
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: this means nothing in English. it's clearly explained in the text provided: premier arrivé, premier servi
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philgoddard
: Nothing to do with prizes.
14 hrs
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Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
Israel
Israel
Native in English
Israel
Quality, Reliability, Experience.
Native in: English 
, Romanian
Works in: French to English, Hebrew to English, Romanian to English, and 3 more.
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19
Paytment obtained by winning the race
Payment as prize or reward for winning the race.
Il est de principe général depuis le droit romain que le premier titulaire d’un droit prime ceux qui ont acquis ce même droit après lui (« prior tempore, potior jus). Par ailleurs, les règles des procédures collectives dont le but est de parvenir à un traitement aussi égal que possible des créanciers est incompatible, par principe même, au paiement du premier réclamant, paiement dit en culture juridique civiliste « paiement au prix de la course » ou, autrement dit, paiement du premier poursuivant, sous-entendu qui a gagné la course."
http://tinyurl.com/y4b9le3
Il est de principe général depuis le droit romain que le premier titulaire d’un droit prime ceux qui ont acquis ce même droit après lui (« prior tempore, potior jus). Par ailleurs, les règles des procédures collectives dont le but est de parvenir à un traitement aussi égal que possible des créanciers est incompatible, par principe même, au paiement du premier réclamant, paiement dit en culture juridique civiliste « paiement au prix de la course » ou, autrement dit, paiement du premier poursuivant, sous-entendu qui a gagné la course."
http://tinyurl.com/y4b9le3
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7 hrs
French term (edited):
paiement au prix de la course
"First come, first serve basis" payment policy (first to claim, first to get)
Hello,
You really can't translate this literally because it sounds a bit weird in English, even if the context makes the meaning clear.
These are unsecured creditors. They will paid on a first come, first serve basis until nets assets are exhausted (if that's even necessary).
au prix de la course = expense of the race (depends on where finish in the race lol)
tous les chargements dans une boucle tout marchera au prix de la course: premier arrivé premier servi, quoi qu'il en soit ça donnerait un truc du genre: ...
flash.mediabox.fr/index.php?showtopic=124451
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-04-18 17:55:16 GMT)
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au prix de la course = depends on where you finish in the race (could end up too late for some lol)
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Note added at 13 hrs (2010-04-19 00:36:37 GMT)
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I didn't really understand the meaning of "au prix de la course" at first. I thought it meant "at the price/expense of the race", but that just doesn't seem to mean anything here, no matter how I slice and dice it. I suppose, then, it has to do with "payment [comes] with the prize of the race"; in other words, those who arrive first, second, third will most likely get more than those who come in at the middle or end of the race. The longer you wait to submit your claim, the greater changes that the nets assets will run out, leaving nothing for you. But it could be that the the first and second claim could exhaust all the nets assets. It all depends. It's a big gamble.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-04-19 00:43:58 GMT)
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ANOTHER CORRECTION:
paiement au prix de la course (literally) = payment goes to the winner of the race
prix = prizewinner
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-04-19 00:47:33 GMT)
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Or say " 'First come, first serve' payment policy"
You really can't translate this literally because it sounds a bit weird in English, even if the context makes the meaning clear.
These are unsecured creditors. They will paid on a first come, first serve basis until nets assets are exhausted (if that's even necessary).
au prix de la course = expense of the race (depends on where finish in the race lol)
tous les chargements dans une boucle tout marchera au prix de la course: premier arrivé premier servi, quoi qu'il en soit ça donnerait un truc du genre: ...
flash.mediabox.fr/index.php?showtopic=124451
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2010-04-18 17:55:16 GMT)
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au prix de la course = depends on where you finish in the race (could end up too late for some lol)
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Note added at 13 hrs (2010-04-19 00:36:37 GMT)
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I didn't really understand the meaning of "au prix de la course" at first. I thought it meant "at the price/expense of the race", but that just doesn't seem to mean anything here, no matter how I slice and dice it. I suppose, then, it has to do with "payment [comes] with the prize of the race"; in other words, those who arrive first, second, third will most likely get more than those who come in at the middle or end of the race. The longer you wait to submit your claim, the greater changes that the nets assets will run out, leaving nothing for you. But it could be that the the first and second claim could exhaust all the nets assets. It all depends. It's a big gamble.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-04-19 00:43:58 GMT)
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ANOTHER CORRECTION:
paiement au prix de la course (literally) = payment goes to the winner of the race
prix = prizewinner
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Note added at 14 hrs (2010-04-19 00:47:33 GMT)
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Or say " 'First come, first serve' payment policy"
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philgoddard
: More correctly, "first come, first served".
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Thank you, Phil! Literally, it does mean "payment to the one who wins the race" (creditor who claims first).
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Evans (X)
: I agree, and agree with Phil in his comment above
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Thank you, Gilla! Yes, "served" is more correct. I was being a bit informal there.
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Definitely "served", the past participle, the passive voice, (first to be served) otherwise, "first to servE" (active voice), means that person is the first to do the serving. "Payment on a "first come, first served" basis."
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Thank you, Nikki! I do prefer "served", but it could be the issuer of payments who does the "serving." LOL.
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polyglot45
: first come, first SERVED is the only correct answer. Since I gave it right at the start in the comments box, no excuses for getting it wrong !
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Hi polyglot! Sorry you're having a bad day. Why didn't you post a proper answer? That way, I could have agreed with you. LOL. Bonne Journée!
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Discussion
Definitely "served", the past participle, the passive voice, (first to be served) otherwise, "first to servE" (active voice), means that person is the first to do the serving. "Payment on a "first come, first served" basis."
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-> Thank you, Nikki! I do prefer "served", but it could be the issuer of payments who does the "serving." LOL.
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This expression, quite common in legal, fiscal and commercial contexts, as in ordinary familiar situations, matches the French perfectly as it is used in precisely the same way in French.
The passive voice has to be used as it is expressed from the beneficiary's point of view.
prix = prizewinner