dennis_bg Jan 13, 2011:

Emily, wouldn't it be more in line with what Sergei explained and less confusing for future users of the glossary, if the glossary entry mapped "партия груза" to consignment? Rather than the apparently misguided (pun intended) маршрут??

Sergei Tumanov Jan 12, 2011:

me neither The load per truck is 9 customers (literal translation). The number of orders in a 'marshrut' is also 9. So, there are presumably 9 consignments in the truck. I don't think we can say that there are "9 orders in one consignment".

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One truck carries one consignment, which consists of 9 orders of 9 customers.
It means, in other words, one order for each customer.
That's it.

Sometimes customers may have placed two or three orders.
In such case we shall have a truck with one consignment, which consists of 9 orders of 5 customers.
And literally -"we shall have 5 customers in the truck"

Sergei Tumanov Jan 12, 2011:

order and consignment order is a customer related thing
consignment - a carrier/forwarder related thing

Example>
6 customers have approached a seller willing to purchase same hardware, say hammers.

Three customers like to receive their goods somewhere near logistic terminal DDD in Moscow.
Three other customers like to receive their goods at the terminal BBB in Moscow.

The seller hires a carrier for a carriage of the goods.
Since the hardware is the same for all buyers the carrier combines the goods forming two consignments to save on customs clearance and/or on paperwork.
One consignment goes to the terminal BBB, another goes to the terminal DDD.
Upon arrival to both terminals the two consignments are split into 6 lots for different buyers-receivers again.

И вот от этого сочетания "времени и пространства - от забора и до обеда", то есть от сочетания географии перевозки и разных адресов получения, возможно, и пошло сбивающее всех с толку употребление слова "маршрут", хотя на самом деле ничем кроме "грузовой партии" или "партии груза" оно не может быть. Не возят, ну не возят грузовики и другие транспортные средства ничего кроме грузовых партий. Как их ни обзови.

dennis_bg Jan 11, 2011:

If translating this accurately and consistently throughout the text is vitally important, then you need to find out from the customer how exactly this маршрут "behaves". They can mean any number of combinations when they use this word. Cargo from one or more customers can be recombined at terminals with similarly routed consignments, reloaded from truck to truck, then broken down again to be loaded onto local delivery trucks. To translate this accurately you need to know specifically how your customer's system works, because based on the algorithms they use to route their trucks the meaning of маршрут, or consignment or whatever can have a somewhat different meaning than the same thing at another company.

svetlana cosquéric Jan 11, 2011:

Isn't each order a separate consignment? Do you know anything about that?

Paul Merriam Jan 11, 2011:

One size doesn't fit all. I think it's clear (with all the original context) that маршрут is being used in multiple ways so, although "route" could have been worked into the lack of context phrases, it doesn't fit. In some cases, I think they're talking about "runs", which would be, say, what goes in the truck from StP to Moscow one time.

Emily Justice (asker) Jan 11, 2011:

Additional context Here is some more context: The load per truck is 9 customers (literal translation). The number of orders in a 'marshrut' is also 9. So, there are presumably 9 consignments in the truck. I don't think we can say that there are "9 orders in one consignment". Isn't each order a separate consignment? I am completely confused now :(

dennis_bg Jan 10, 2011:

Now that Sergei has added "consignment", I'll agree with that, rather than "route", or "itinerary". It definitely fits the context better.

svetlana cosquéric Jan 10, 2011:

For Emily Hello. I think that Sergei is right for all the examples, if you haven't got other context.
N1 - how many "items/orders" in one consignment
N2 - how many clients gave their "parcels" for one consignment

Emily Justice (asker) Jan 10, 2011:

For Svetlana Hello. Do you think that route is best for examples 1 and 2, and consignment best for examples 3 and 4?

svetlana cosquéric Jan 10, 2011:

route or not N3 - how many consignments there are in one lorry to convey;
N4 - 4 consignments to convey in Moscow

Paul Merriam Jan 8, 2011:

количество маршрутов в фуре What I understand from this is not that they have one journey stopping at X places, but that they have X approved routes for this truck, all of which could go from StP to Moscow (even with the same end points) but with slight variations on how they get there. For example, I imagine a route via Vladivostok (just because the lorry driver's boyfriend lives there) would be unacceptable so it wouldn't be one of the маршруты. And for #4, I understand slight variations on exactly where the lorries go and/or the order in which the stops are visited.

Fernsucht Jan 8, 2011:

#4 four delivery routes in Moscow? #3 number of routes per truck/lorry?

Emily Justice (asker) Jan 8, 2011:

Hi Paul Hi Paul. Thanks for your answer. If you have time, how would you see "route" working in the fourth example? Actually, number three troubles me as well. Is it "routes per lorry"? The text is discussing transportation of cargo from StP to Moscow, so there is only one "route" (unless there are several delivery points in Moscow). Wouldn't "journey" sound better? Maybe you dealt with this in the army. Thanks!

Fernsucht Jan 8, 2011:

Route should work fine

Paul Merriam Jan 8, 2011:

What's wrong with route? It works for all four of your examples.