Aug 3, 2013 19:53
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Spanish term
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ostenta un crédito vencido, líquido y exigible
Spanish to English
Bus/Financial
Business/Commerce (general)
Restructuring and capital expansion of a corporation (Spain)
The context is a notarial document announcing the capital expansion and organizational restructuring of a Spanish corporation:
Sr. Fulano de Tal ostenta un crédito vencido, líquido y exigible por un importe de DIEZ MIL EUROS (10,000)….
Sr. Fulano de Tal ostenta un crédito vencido, líquido y exigible por un importe de DIEZ MIL EUROS (10,000)….
Proposed translations
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| 5 +1 | holds a credit right, liquidated. due and payable, against.... |
Billh
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| 4 -1 | holds a due, net and payable claim |
Carl Stoll
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| 3 | holds a (past-)due, liquid, and payable claim |
Kathryn Litherland
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Proposed translations
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holds a credit right, liquidated. due and payable, against....
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you can forget the 'against' as not mentioned.....
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Note added at 15 hrs (2013-08-04 10:57:08 GMT)
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Since there is a clear lack of understanding here of liquido let' look at the RAE
líquido, da.
(Del lat. liquĭdus).
1. adj. Dicho de un cuerpo de volumen constante: Cuyas moléculas tienen tan poca cohesión que se adaptan a la forma de la cavidad que las contiene, y tienden siempre a ponerse a nivel. U. t. c. s. m.
2. adj. Dicho de un saldo o de un residuo: De cuantía cierta que resulta de la comparación del cargo con la data. Deuda líquida. Alcance líquido. U. t. c. s. m.
3. adj. Fon. En español se dice de las consonantes l y r, que pueden formar sílaba con otra consonante anterior y una vocal posterior. U. t. c. s. f.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=liquido
Here it is meaning 2.
Liquidated
LIQUIDATED. That which is made clear, certain, and manifest; as, liquidated damages, ascertained damages liquidated debt, an ascertained debt, as to amount. A debt is liquidated when it is certain what is due, and how much is due, cum certum est an et quantum debeatur; for although it may appear that something is due, if it does not also appear how much is due, the debt is not liquidated. An unliquidated claim is one which one of the parties to the contract cannot alone render certain
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liquidated
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also
http://esl.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/law:_contracts/...
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See also liquidar in the RAE where here it refers to meaning 12
liquidar.
(De líquido).
1. tr. Hacer líquido algo sólido o gaseoso. U. t. c. prnl.
2. tr. Hacer el ajuste formal de una cuenta.
3. tr. Saldar, pagar enteramente una cuenta.
4. tr. Poner término a algo o a un estado de cosas.
5. tr. Gastar totalmente algo, especialmente dinero, en poco tiempo. Liquidó su hacienda en unos meses
6. tr. Desistir de un negocio o de un empeño.
7. tr. Romper o dar por terminadas las relaciones personales. Fulano era mi amigo, pero ya liquidé con él
8. tr. vulg. Desembarazarse de alguien, matándolo.
9. tr. vulg. Acabar con algo, suprimirlo o hacerlo desaparecer.
10. tr. Com. Dicho de una casa de comercio: Hacer ajuste final de cuentas para cesar en el negocio.
11. tr. Com. Vender mercancías en liquidación.
12. tr. Der. Determinar en dinero el importe de una deuda.
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*Deuda líquida for DICCIONARIO JURIDICO - D - Scribd
es.scribd.com/doc/48114934/497/Deuda-liquida
DICCIONARIO JURIDICO - D > *Deuda líquida. Se dice de aquélla cuyo importe se halla exactamente determinado. Descargar o imprimir. Agregar a colección.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2013-08-04 14:12:38 GMT)
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You might be better saying
holds a debt, liquidated due and payable, .........
as some people do not like credit right as such.
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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-08-04 22:11:11 GMT)
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For completeness of explanation I would add
vencido = due, literally has fallen due, i.e. it is not going to arise in the future.
exixible = literally can be enforced, but payable is the usual rendering in English.
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Note added at 25 mins (2013-08-03 20:18:13 GMT)
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you can forget the 'against' as not mentioned.....
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Note added at 15 hrs (2013-08-04 10:57:08 GMT)
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Since there is a clear lack of understanding here of liquido let' look at the RAE
líquido, da.
(Del lat. liquĭdus).
1. adj. Dicho de un cuerpo de volumen constante: Cuyas moléculas tienen tan poca cohesión que se adaptan a la forma de la cavidad que las contiene, y tienden siempre a ponerse a nivel. U. t. c. s. m.
2. adj. Dicho de un saldo o de un residuo: De cuantía cierta que resulta de la comparación del cargo con la data. Deuda líquida. Alcance líquido. U. t. c. s. m.
3. adj. Fon. En español se dice de las consonantes l y r, que pueden formar sílaba con otra consonante anterior y una vocal posterior. U. t. c. s. f.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=liquido
Here it is meaning 2.
Liquidated
LIQUIDATED. That which is made clear, certain, and manifest; as, liquidated damages, ascertained damages liquidated debt, an ascertained debt, as to amount. A debt is liquidated when it is certain what is due, and how much is due, cum certum est an et quantum debeatur; for although it may appear that something is due, if it does not also appear how much is due, the debt is not liquidated. An unliquidated claim is one which one of the parties to the contract cannot alone render certain
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Liquidated
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Note added at 15 hrs (2013-08-04 11:06:13 GMT)
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also
http://esl.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/law:_contracts/...
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Note added at 15 hrs (2013-08-04 11:11:44 GMT)
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See also liquidar in the RAE where here it refers to meaning 12
liquidar.
(De líquido).
1. tr. Hacer líquido algo sólido o gaseoso. U. t. c. prnl.
2. tr. Hacer el ajuste formal de una cuenta.
3. tr. Saldar, pagar enteramente una cuenta.
4. tr. Poner término a algo o a un estado de cosas.
5. tr. Gastar totalmente algo, especialmente dinero, en poco tiempo. Liquidó su hacienda en unos meses
6. tr. Desistir de un negocio o de un empeño.
7. tr. Romper o dar por terminadas las relaciones personales. Fulano era mi amigo, pero ya liquidé con él
8. tr. vulg. Desembarazarse de alguien, matándolo.
9. tr. vulg. Acabar con algo, suprimirlo o hacerlo desaparecer.
10. tr. Com. Dicho de una casa de comercio: Hacer ajuste final de cuentas para cesar en el negocio.
11. tr. Com. Vender mercancías en liquidación.
12. tr. Der. Determinar en dinero el importe de una deuda.
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Note added at 16 hrs (2013-08-04 12:20:34 GMT)
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*Deuda líquida for DICCIONARIO JURIDICO - D - Scribd
es.scribd.com/doc/48114934/497/Deuda-liquida
DICCIONARIO JURIDICO - D > *Deuda líquida. Se dice de aquélla cuyo importe se halla exactamente determinado. Descargar o imprimir. Agregar a colección.
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Note added at 18 hrs (2013-08-04 14:12:38 GMT)
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You might be better saying
holds a debt, liquidated due and payable, .........
as some people do not like credit right as such.
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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2013-08-04 22:11:11 GMT)
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For completeness of explanation I would add
vencido = due, literally has fallen due, i.e. it is not going to arise in the future.
exixible = literally can be enforced, but payable is the usual rendering in English.
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Carl Stoll
Argentina
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holds a due, net and payable claim
I'm not completely sure about "líquido" = "net", but almost.
"Net" means that it is already set off against any claims that the counterparty may haev against the claimant
"Net" means that it is already set off against any claims that the counterparty may haev against the claimant
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Kathryn Litherland
United States
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holds a (past-)due, liquid, and payable claim
I think "liquid" is the correct term here, not liquidated.
http://www.pmalawyers.com/pdf/panama31.pdf
"The declaration of bankruptcy may be requested by a creditor. To this
effect a request for bankruptcy must be filed, together with evidence
of a credit that is liquid, enforceable and derived from a past due
commercial obligation."
http://www.europeandebtcollection.com/faq.php?lang=en
"We can only claim debts when they are due and are liquid and payable after demand for payment, and when they are not more than five years old."
http://www.ae-ei.gc.ca/eng/umpire/jud_interpretations/recons...
However, this obligation only arises when the Commission notifies the claimant of the amount of the overpayment. It is at this point that the debt becomes liquid and payable.
http://www.pmalawyers.com/pdf/panama31.pdf
"The declaration of bankruptcy may be requested by a creditor. To this
effect a request for bankruptcy must be filed, together with evidence
of a credit that is liquid, enforceable and derived from a past due
commercial obligation."
http://www.europeandebtcollection.com/faq.php?lang=en
"We can only claim debts when they are due and are liquid and payable after demand for payment, and when they are not more than five years old."
http://www.ae-ei.gc.ca/eng/umpire/jud_interpretations/recons...
However, this obligation only arises when the Commission notifies the claimant of the amount of the overpayment. It is at this point that the debt becomes liquid and payable.
Reference comments
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James A. Walsh
Spain
Spain
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Spain
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Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
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