Oct 28, 2019 08:01
4 yrs ago
2 viewers *
Russian term

на протяжении уже Х лет

Russian to English Art/Literary Other Элементарная фраза.
Оригинал на русском:
---------------------------------
Высокий гость поздравил звероводов и выразил благодарность за кропотливую работу, проводимую ими на протяжении уже 25 лет.
---------------------------------
Не можем прийти к согласию, кто-то настаивает на “for as much as 25 years”, другие говорят, что правильно “for as many as 25 years”. Сторонники “many” говорят, что “years” – исчисляемое. Сторонники “much” ссылаются на Гугол, который находит очень много результатов в уважаемых источниках:

About 63,900 results (0.35 seconds)

Search Results

Web results
Hearings - Page 47 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.pl › books
United States. Congress. House - 1967
He may have lived in the United States for as much as 25 years and have been present here physically for as much as 25 years, but if the last 5 years do not ...
---------------------------------
Заранее благодарю за любые мнения и замечания.
Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (2): Mikhail Kropotov, The Misha

When entering new questions, KudoZ askers are given an opportunity* to classify the difficulty of their questions as 'easy' or 'pro'. If you feel a question marked 'easy' should actually be marked 'pro', and if you have earned more than 20 KudoZ points, you can click the "Vote PRO" button to recommend that change.

How to tell the difference between "easy" and "pro" questions:

An easy question is one that any bilingual person would be able to answer correctly. (Or in the case of monolingual questions, an easy question is one that any native speaker of the language would be able to answer correctly.)

A pro question is anything else... in other words, any question that requires knowledge or skills that are specialized (even slightly).

Another way to think of the difficulty levels is this: an easy question is one that deals with everyday conversation. A pro question is anything else.

When deciding between easy and pro, err on the side of pro. Most questions will be pro.

* Note: non-member askers are not given the option of entering 'pro' questions; the only way for their questions to be classified as 'pro' is for a ProZ.com member or members to re-classify it.

Discussion

Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Oct 29, 2019:
As long as 25 can be 1, 2, 3, .....25.
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Oct 28, 2019:
The proposed variants have the nuance of "up to 25 years," meaning that it could have been fewer years too.
Turdimurod Rakhmanov Oct 28, 2019:
kd42, Если правильно понял ваш вопрос, Вы хотите узнать for as many as 25 years или for as much as 25 years?
Коллеги тоже предложили свои варианты, но мне кажеться вы хотите узнать разницу или какой из них лучше или правильно?
Да?
Если так, можете им сказать что оба правильные. Только есть разница! As many as 25 years-here the number of years highlighted.
as much as 25 years- here the amount highlighted. in your example, He may have lived in the United States for as much as 25 years - not the number, but "lived" as much-highlighted. The first used as countable, the second used as uncountable.
IrinaN Oct 28, 2019:
The Misha +1

Let him thank zverovodov for 25 years of hard work. Plain and simple.
kd42 (asker) Oct 28, 2019:
Thank you, but the question is very clear, and a few people responded with very useful feedback.
I see your point, but I don't see any practical reason for your passionate intervention.
The Misha Oct 28, 2019:
This is a moot question because you do not need either. What a native would say is that the Big Kahuna thanked those good folks for the work they have/had been doing for (over) 25 years. That's it. What you are trying to do instead here is literally squeeze that Russian "vot uzhe" into the picture but it only makes your sentence stilted and unidiomatic. I said it a million times before and I will say it again: it never pays to just translate words.

Proposed translations

28 mins
Selected

for as much/many/long as...

Третий вариант: for as long as... :)
На форуме по ссылке приводят аргумент в пользу much: 25 years -- это период времени. Я бы использовал "long".
Something went wrong...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Спасибо за идеальный moot answer на мой moot question. Также искренне благодарю всех за мнения, критику и желание помочь."
+4
25 mins

for as long as...

Зачем вам там вообще "many" или "much"?
Peer comment(s):

agree Vladyslav Golovaty
8 mins
agree Helena Bližíková
1 hr
agree Artyom Abmetko
3 hrs
agree Vadim Khazin
6 hrs
Something went wrong...
+1
3 hrs

for X years already

The author looks for emphasis, such as "already."

This software company from Ukraine has been around for 25 years already and completed about 700 projects of various scope.
https://thinkmobiles.com/blog/virtual-reality-companies/
Peer comment(s):

agree Elena Ivanova
1 day 7 hrs
Thank you, Elena, for your valuable support. Best regards.
Something went wrong...
+1
6 hrs

over the course of the past X years already

the work they have been doing over the course of the past 25 years already.
Peer comment(s):

agree Elena Ivanova
22 hrs
Something went wrong...
+2
7 hrs

over the past 25 years

I don't see any need for "already" or "much/many". It's straightforward!

It makes me think of New York speak: "I am living in NY for 10 years already", or "I am living in NY since 10 years", which are literal translations from German.
Peer comment(s):

agree Ythir
5 hrs
agree Elena Ivanova
22 hrs
Something went wrong...
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search