Dec 16, 2021 15:00
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French term
l'indication prise...aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences
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Inheritance (France)
En conséquence de l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord depuis la clôture de la précédente séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance, le notaire soussigné va procéder de la manière suivante à la continuation et à la clôture de l'inventaire après le décès de Monsieur zzz
My guess is that the Notary is proceeding on the same basis as at the "last meeting" - i.e. with regard to the parties involved. But how to express this succinctly?
My guess is that the Notary is proceeding on the same basis as at the "last meeting" - i.e. with regard to the parties involved. But how to express this succinctly?
Proposed translations
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3 hrs
French term (edited):
précédante séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences
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previous meeting, with the same purposes, capacities and persons in attendance
For want of something more snappy and legalesey.
See discussion entry: I think this is a slight mis-parsing.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-12-16 18:52:40 GMT)
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AllegroT: what Phil says. No need for the ellipsis if you do indeed accept that this expression goes with "previous meeting".
See discussion entry: I think this is a slight mis-parsing.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-12-16 18:52:40 GMT)
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AllegroT: what Phil says. No need for the ellipsis if you do indeed accept that this expression goes with "previous meeting".
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: I think "l'indication prise" should be a separate question.
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Daryo
: agree that "l'indication prise..." should be left out, but "les qualités" don't exist on their own, they are only attributes of "les présences" / persons present at the meeting.
11 days
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
1 day 21 hrs
French term (edited):
aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences
with the same instructions, capacities and entries of appearance
I've split the question anyway: l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu : 'date pencilled in' > scheduling direction entered for this very day, hour / time and venue....
Best avoid 'caveat entered' as sends the process in a negative, Will-stop direction.
présences: or parties in attendance cf. Emmanuella's persons in attendance > entries of appearance: apologies to Phil G. for using current UK and US Am. 'lawspeak'.
Otherwise, I missed this one and am surprised Mpoma - as a discussion entrant who 'scooped' and upstaged my synchronous Notarial Office answer - thinks I can proffer a succinct formula.
> précédente séance : not part of the question, but might be a 'preceding conference' in E+W jargon.
Low CL / confidence level, pending any qualified notariy's intervention.
Best avoid 'caveat entered' as sends the process in a negative, Will-stop direction.
présences: or parties in attendance cf. Emmanuella's persons in attendance > entries of appearance: apologies to Phil G. for using current UK and US Am. 'lawspeak'.
Otherwise, I missed this one and am surprised Mpoma - as a discussion entrant who 'scooped' and upstaged my synchronous Notarial Office answer - thinks I can proffer a succinct formula.
> précédente séance : not part of the question, but might be a 'preceding conference' in E+W jargon.
Low CL / confidence level, pending any qualified notariy's intervention.
10 hrs
French term (edited):
(séance)...aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences
(session/meeting) about the same claims, with same attendees acting in same capacities
the "l'indication prise ..." part is part of another building bloc of this sentence, see discussion.
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Note added at 6 days (2021-12-23 13:14:57 GMT)
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En conséquence de l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord depuis la clôture de la précédente séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance, ...
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Taking note, at this day, hour and place, that following the previous session(/meeting) about the same claims, with the same attendees acting in the same capacities, parties have come to an agreement (/an agreement has been reached), ...
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Note added at 11 days (2021-12-27 23:34:50 GMT)
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regarding:
"same attendees acting in same capacities"
whatever is the wording of the ST, "les qualités" are not some kind of independent entities, but "exist" ONLY as attributes of some real persons (usually natural persons).
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Note added at 6 days (2021-12-23 13:14:57 GMT)
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En conséquence de l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord depuis la clôture de la précédente séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance, ...
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Taking note, at this day, hour and place, that following the previous session(/meeting) about the same claims, with the same attendees acting in the same capacities, parties have come to an agreement (/an agreement has been reached), ...
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Note added at 11 days (2021-12-27 23:34:50 GMT)
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regarding:
"same attendees acting in same capacities"
whatever is the wording of the ST, "les qualités" are not some kind of independent entities, but "exist" ONLY as attributes of some real persons (usually natural persons).
Discussion
but before coming to that, there is a preliminary point to clarify:
in
En conséquence de l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord depuis la clôture de la précédente séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance, ...
"l'indication" is part of "l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord"
while
"aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences" is a different part of this story
refers to /compares the current and the previous meeting, it's part of
à ces jour, heure et lieu,(=> cette séance) ... la précédente séance, aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance
IOW there are two "components"
1 - aux mêmes requêtes, qualités et présences qu'en ladite séance => this meeting was about the same issues, with the same attendees acting in the same capacities as in the previous meeting
2 - l'indication prise à ces jour, heure et lieu, d'un commun accord = we can take note now and here that an agreement has been reached (in the meantime, in the time between these two meetings)
I think it means, on the contrary, that I, notary, hereby record that these (A, B, C) are the same as last time we met ... and now... with regard to the inventaire, continuons ...
... it appears to relate in each case to this inventaire.
So probably *not* what I suggested about a phrase taken from a court context. Maybe there's something about this particular notarial task which means you have to interrupt it and resume it (with the same parties present).
As to how to translate it: yes, this is tricky, and I wouldn't be surprised if Adrian came up with something lovely and legalesey which conveys exactly this. Otherwise it's a case of just translating the 3 terms in a pedestrian way.
Obviously the context here is a notary's premises (I'll avoid "office" in view of your previous question), rather than a court. So requête poses a bit of a problem. Tending perhaps to suggest, again, that this may be a set legal expression grabbed from a court context.
PS regarding requête: it is I suppose possible that this is using this word in a non-legal way to mean "request": i.e. the request made to the notary to handle this business of sorting out the succession-related inventaire. Effectively I suggest this means "the same purposes".
If I were to split this into two questions, chances are I would get totally disparate answers. You of all people know this!