Jan 28, 2019 17:59
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This is from an interview with an Argentine contemporary artist talking about Carnival:
JL: Pero la misma religión es la que da permiso al carnaval. Viene de ahí, de esa relación con la capilla abierta. Sobre todo en Latinoamérica. ¿Cómo atraen adeptos? Con capilla abierta, con las cuatro postas afuera, en una especie de plaza, en donde los hacen cantar. Y los dejan cantar lo que quieran.
The four posts? Seems like a specific reference to church architecture...
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JL: Pero la misma religión es la que da permiso al carnaval. Viene de ahí, de esa relación con la capilla abierta. Sobre todo en Latinoamérica. ¿Cómo atraen adeptos? Con capilla abierta, con las cuatro postas afuera, en una especie de plaza, en donde los hacen cantar. Y los dejan cantar lo que quieran.
The four posts? Seems like a specific reference to church architecture...
Thanks
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| 4 +1 | four open-air chapels |
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Spanish term (edited):
cuatro postas afuera
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four open-air chapels
Assuming the source text is referencing "capillas posas", as in the discussion and reference comments (which I believe it is), I think you could translate "Con capilla abierta, con las cuatro postas afuera..."
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"With an outdoor temple, with (its) four open-air chapels..." (so as not to repeat "chapel" so often).
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"With an outdoor temple, with (its) four open-air chapels..." (so as not to repeat "chapel" so often).
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philgoddard
: Maybe "church with four open-sided chapels". I wouldn't say "temple" for a Catholic church, and they're arguably not quite open-air if they have roofs.
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Thanks, Phil. I think the technical/architectural aspects are less important than the idea of preaching, singing and communing with God out in the open, since the author is linking this to the carnival.
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https://www.glosarioarquitectonico.com/glossary/capilla-posa...
Glosario ilustrado de arte arquitectónico
capilla posa
Edificio de modestas proporciones y planta cuadrada, por lo común abovedado y abierto al menos por dos lados, situado en los ángulos o extremos de los grandes atrios cuadrangulares de las iglesias construidas en el Nuevo Mundo hispano —especialmente en el antiguo virreinato de Nueva España (que atesora las mejores y el mayor número de capillas posas), en la extinta capitanía general de Guatemala y en el primitivo virreinato de Perú— y también, pero en menor medida, en las iglesias de Filipinas, con la finalidad de hacer en dichas capillas una pausa o un descanso (posa deriva de “posar”) durante las procesiones con el Santísimo o con el féretro del difunto, momento que el clero oficiante aprovechaba antiguamente para exhortar a los fieles o celebrar allí mismo algún rito alusivo al acto.
Cannundrums: Church and Convent of San Gabriel - Cholula
cannundrum.blogspot.com/.../church-and-convent-of-san-gabriel....
9 abr. 2018 - A capilla posa, or corner chapel, is straight ahead and attached to the wall. The main chapel is to the left. The front is yellow, but the sides are ...
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https://books.google.com.jm/books?id=3LVQoGVBFToC&pg=PA67&lp...
***Posa: Or more exactly, capilla posa: A processional oratory (rarely or never a chapel at each of the corners of some sixteenth-century Mexican monastic atriums (fig. 1).****
Posa Chapel - Architecture of Colonial Mexico
www.mexicanarchitecture.org/glossary/index.php?detail=87
A processional chapel. In colonial Mexico monasteries had four posas, one in each corner of the ATRIUM. Religious processions proceeded counter-clockwise ...
POSA CHAPEL
A ***processional chapel. In colonial Mexico monasteries had four posas, one in each corner of the ATRIUM***. Religious processions proceeded counter-clockwise around the atrium pausing at each of the posas.
Style as Substance - Faith & Form
https://faithandform.com/feature/style-as-substance/
What does the Thomas Aquinas College chapel mean? .... polygonal, flanking pavilions inspired by ***posas (processional chapels found in Mexican architecture).**
The Worlds of Junipero Serra: Historical Contexts and Cultural ...
https://books.google.com.jm/books?isbn=0520295390 - Traducir esta página
Steven W. Hackel - 2018 - History
Capillas posas (processional chapels) are at the corners of the atrium. Usually, an open chapel, which in combination with the atrium space was used for liturgy ...
Hope this helps.
Glosario ilustrado de arte arquitectónico
capilla posa
Edificio de modestas proporciones y planta cuadrada, por lo común abovedado y abierto al menos por dos lados, situado en los ángulos o extremos de los grandes atrios cuadrangulares de las iglesias construidas en el Nuevo Mundo hispano —especialmente en el antiguo virreinato de Nueva España (que atesora las mejores y el mayor número de capillas posas), en la extinta capitanía general de Guatemala y en el primitivo virreinato de Perú— y también, pero en menor medida, en las iglesias de Filipinas, con la finalidad de hacer en dichas capillas una pausa o un descanso (posa deriva de “posar”) durante las procesiones con el Santísimo o con el féretro del difunto, momento que el clero oficiante aprovechaba antiguamente para exhortar a los fieles o celebrar allí mismo algún rito alusivo al acto.
Cannundrums: Church and Convent of San Gabriel - Cholula
cannundrum.blogspot.com/.../church-and-convent-of-san-gabriel....
9 abr. 2018 - A capilla posa, or corner chapel, is straight ahead and attached to the wall. The main chapel is to the left. The front is yellow, but the sides are ...
====================================
https://books.google.com.jm/books?id=3LVQoGVBFToC&pg=PA67&lp...
***Posa: Or more exactly, capilla posa: A processional oratory (rarely or never a chapel at each of the corners of some sixteenth-century Mexican monastic atriums (fig. 1).****
Posa Chapel - Architecture of Colonial Mexico
www.mexicanarchitecture.org/glossary/index.php?detail=87
A processional chapel. In colonial Mexico monasteries had four posas, one in each corner of the ATRIUM. Religious processions proceeded counter-clockwise ...
POSA CHAPEL
A ***processional chapel. In colonial Mexico monasteries had four posas, one in each corner of the ATRIUM***. Religious processions proceeded counter-clockwise around the atrium pausing at each of the posas.
Style as Substance - Faith & Form
https://faithandform.com/feature/style-as-substance/
What does the Thomas Aquinas College chapel mean? .... polygonal, flanking pavilions inspired by ***posas (processional chapels found in Mexican architecture).**
The Worlds of Junipero Serra: Historical Contexts and Cultural ...
https://books.google.com.jm/books?isbn=0520295390 - Traducir esta página
Steven W. Hackel - 2018 - History
Capillas posas (processional chapels) are at the corners of the atrium. Usually, an open chapel, which in combination with the atrium space was used for liturgy ...
Hope this helps.
Discussion
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capilla_posa
"The plan usually included a single nave church, a convent around a patio, a large walled atrium or churchyard with an open-air chapel for outdoor masses, and small corner chapels called posas."
https://www.britannica.com/art/Latin-American-architecture
The open-air chapel mentioned here is the capilla abierta. "Open chapel" is also used:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capilla_abierta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capilla_abierta
In the literature posas are quite often just called "posa chapels":
https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=XIi2-3Q8rFUC&printsec=f...
Or processional oratories:
https://books.google.es/books?id=XSuVMPtvgR4C&pg=PA231&lpg=P...
Or "corner chapel". I've also see "station chapel" (as in stations of the cross). It's assumed that their function was processional (as "posa" suggests), but that's not the only possibility; see the Wikipedia page.
From https://www.prensalibre.com/hemeroteca/cuatro-puntos-para-la... :
"Para lograrlo, uno de los primeros proyectos que se llevó a cabo durante la segunda mitad del siglo XVI fue el diseño de una plaza atrial que estaba delimitada únicamente por cuatro pequeñas construcciones, una en cada esquina, a las cuales se les conoció con el nombre de “capillas posas”."
A capilla abierta is a chapel with one side open so that worshippers can gather outside.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capilla_abierta