Inside DeepL: How the startup is rivalling machine translation giants Thread poster: philgoddard
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| | neilmac
Spain
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I tried Deepl out and it does quite a good job on the kind of texts I usually have to translate. The licence is also relatively affordable.
What I'd like to know however, is at what point does MT (machine translation) software become AI (artificial intelligence)?
| | | | Zea_Mays 
Italy
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AI is just the technology behind a tool and supposedly emulates human intelligence (as far as I understand it, it just does complex probability calculations - given "A", it calculates what most likely will follow "A").
So ChatGPT is not AI, it is an AI powered generative and dialog oriented chatbot. DeepL is an AI powered MT tool.
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| | | | Peter Motte
Belgium
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Actually, there isn't a lot of intelligence in AI, because it uses statistics.
If in the texts with which AI is fed to be trained, "black" appears often in the neighbourhood of "stupid", AI will generate texts in which it calls blacks stupid.
And as a matter of fact, things like that often happen. It's one of the reasons that the plug had been pulled on an AI tool on Twitter once.
AI has nothing to do with intelligence, it only looks intelligent.
ChatGPT is astonishing b... See more Actually, there isn't a lot of intelligence in AI, because it uses statistics.
If in the texts with which AI is fed to be trained, "black" appears often in the neighbourhood of "stupid", AI will generate texts in which it calls blacks stupid.
And as a matter of fact, things like that often happen. It's one of the reasons that the plug had been pulled on an AI tool on Twitter once.
AI has nothing to do with intelligence, it only looks intelligent.
ChatGPT is astonishing because of the speed with which it produces grammatical, orthographically and structurarely flawless text, but there is no actuall intelligence behind it. ▲ Collapse
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| Is it really as good as claimed? I don't think so | Jan 27, 2024 |
I can't shake a suspicion that the claims of DeepL being by far the best MT engine are merely a well-organised PR campaign. Or maybe it really is better, but only for relatively simple texts like news articles. Last year, I compared DeepL and Google Translation on a couple of texts. One was a multilateral property acquisition and financing agreement, the other was a requirement specification for electronic hardware. I took a few excerpts from each and sanitised them to remove identifying informa... See more I can't shake a suspicion that the claims of DeepL being by far the best MT engine are merely a well-organised PR campaign. Or maybe it really is better, but only for relatively simple texts like news articles. Last year, I compared DeepL and Google Translation on a couple of texts. One was a multilateral property acquisition and financing agreement, the other was a requirement specification for electronic hardware. I took a few excerpts from each and sanitised them to remove identifying information but keep the phrase structure unchanged. Both MT engines failed to save my working time compared to unassisted translation, but DeepL was noticeably worse: the output flowed smoother, but many small yet meaningful fragments of the source text were silently omitted or badly distorted in the translation. One frequent type of error was the topic/comment swap, fixing which obviously requires the entire sentence to be rewritten. Even with the recent advances in MT, in my market segment (quality-conscious clients willing to pay high prices), none of the general-purpose MT engines seems to cut the mustard, and the only custom engine I know that produces a workable output is not a pure MT but a hybrid of MT with a large TM compiled by a big agency. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Arne Krueger
Germany
Local time: 03:50
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| Yesterday... | Jan 27, 2024 |
...in a 2023 Mercedes car.
Issue: Rear door locked itself.
Using AI-powered info system...
"Hey Mercedes, how can I unlock the rear door?"
"You can adjust your door mirrors by using the comfort button on your dashboard."
After my fourth attempt, I gave up and climbed out of the other passenger door... 
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