Wielki Szatny Zakonu Krzyżackiego

English translation: Grand Quartermaster (Ordenstrappier, Summus Trapearius) of the Teutonic Order

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Polish term or phrase:wielki szatny zakonu krzyżackiego
English translation:Grand Quartermaster (Ordenstrappier, Summus Trapearius) of the Teutonic Order
Entered by: Michael Sarni

12:38 Dec 17, 2021
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Polish term or phrase: Wielki Szatny Zakonu Krzyżackiego
Wielki szatny Zakonu Krzyżackiego
Sławomir Paluch
Poland
Local time: 20:44
Grand Quartermaster (Ordenstrappier, Summus Trapearius) of the Teutonic Order
Explanation:
Grand Quartermaster is an established English form of the office on the order level in modern military orders (cf. https://movfw.org/di/vfw/v2/default.asp?pid=79381).


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Gamers use it (top structure lifted from the Teutonic order):

Grozgebieterei
Below the Hōchmeister and Grōzkomtur is a council called the Grōzgebieterei. This council is made up of five primary individuals and several secondary members. The primary members are as follows:
Grōzmarschal (Grand Marshal) - In charge of controlling the army.
Grōztrapier (Grand Quartermaster) - In charge of supplying the army...

(https://www.worldanvil.com/w/mortalis3A-mortal-age-sigiswulf...


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http://www.dcgckt.org/21GO1.pdf
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Summary of answers provided
3Quatermaster (Obersttrappier) in the Order of the Teutonic Knights
geopiet
3The Draper of the Teutonic Order
geopiet
3the Supreme Draper (of the Teutonic Order)
Andrzej Ziomek
3Grand Quartermaster (Ordenstrappier, Summus Trapearius) of the Teutonic Order
Michael Sarni


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Quatermaster (Obersttrappier) in the Order of the Teutonic Knights


Explanation:
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Kapituła wybierała także najważniejszych dygnitarzy, stanowiących tak zwaną Radę Wielkiego Mistrza. To ciało doradcze wraz z wielkim mistrzem rządziło Państwem Zakonnym w okresach między kapitułami. Należeli do niej Wielki Marszałek (Królewiec), Wielki Szpitalnik (Elbląg), Wielki Szatny (Dzierzgoń), Wielki Skarbnik (Malbork) i Wielki Komtur (Malbork). Do tej piątki Rada dobierała sobie jednego z komturów. - https://zamek.malbork.pl/historia/historia-zakonu-5

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The construction of the Teutonic Castle in Dzierzgoń began in 1248, as ordered by the national champion Heinrich von Wida. At its location there was chosen towering hill over the area, where previously was a fortified city of Prussia, to protect the settlement lying at its feet. The fort was the seat of the Commander of Dzierzgoń, who also held the function of the Quatermaster (Obersttrappier) in the Order of the Teutonic Knights. - https://www.spottinghistory.com/view/2118/dzierzgon-castle-r...

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Ausgehend von dem Ordensrat, der dem Hochmeister des Deutschen Ordens zuarbeitete und sich aus den fünf obersten Ordensgebietigern, nämlich dem Großkomtur, dem Ordensmarschall, dem Oberstspittler (Hospitalmeister), dem Obersttrappier (Quartier- und Versorgungsmeister) und dem Treßler (Schatzmeister) zusammensetzte wurde im Herzogtum Preußen die sogenannte Oberratsstube geschaffen. - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberrat_(Herzogtum_Preußen)#

geopiet
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neutral  Michael Sarni: There were several Obersttrapiers in the order, but only one Ordenstrappier.
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The Draper of the Teutonic Order


Explanation:


Großgebietiger

The Großgebietiger were high officers with competence on the whole order, appointed by the Hochmeister. There were five offices.

The Großkomtur (Magnus Commendator), the deputy of the Grandmaster
The Treßler, the treasurer
The Spitler (Summus Hospitalarius), responsible for all hospital affairs
The Trapier, responsible for dressing and armament
The Marschall (Summus Marescalcus), the chief of military affairs

- http://www.imperialteutonicorder.com/id245.html

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Order#Großgebietiger

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The officials governing the Teutonic Order at the various levels were commander (Komtur, preceptor) at the local level, province commander (Landkomtur), national commander (Landmeister), and grand master (Hochmeister, magister). The highest leadership positions (including grand master, grand commander [Grosskomtur], marshal [Ordensmarschall], draper or quartermaster [Trapier], hospitaller [Spittler], and treasurer [Tressler]) were elected by the general chapter.

- https://www.crystalinks.com/teutonicknights.html

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The grand masters were supported financially by some of the Prussian commanderies and advocacies (Ger. Vogteien), while the high dignitaries were based in other commanderies: the marshal in Konigsberg (mod. Kaliningrad, Russia), the hospitaller in Elbing (mod. Elbląg, Poland), and the draper in Christburg (mod. Dzierzgôn, Poland), while the grand commander and treasurer remained in Marienburg. - https://erenow.net/postclassical/crusades/886.php

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The other senior officials of the German Order were the Grosskomtur (grand commander), the Oberster Marschall (supreme marshal), the Oberster Spittler (supreme hospitaller), the Oberster Trappier (supreme draper) and the Tressler (treasurer). Even before the fall of Acre, the Hochmeister and Chapter in the Holy Land also usually appointed the Deutschmeister, who was in command of the Order's Balleien in Germany, as well as the Landmeisters (governors of large Teutonic Knights' provinces) of Prussia and Livonia.

- http://prussia.online/Data/Book/te/teutonic-knight-1190-1561... - pages 14 - 15

geopiet
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neutral  Michael Sarni: Are there more examples of the this particular usage? Wikipedia has certain reputation in academic circles, you know.
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the Supreme Draper (of the Teutonic Order)


Explanation:
Picking up the gauntlet (perhaps the one issued by the Supreme Draper?...)

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https://books.google.pl/books?id=hmkNEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2...

'...whose titles ranged from treasurer and supreme marshal to supreme draper....'

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https://books.google.pl/books?id=_HxTEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT52&lpg=PT...

'...the supreme hospitaller (Oberster Spittler), the supreme draper (Oberster ...'

Andrzej Ziomek
Poland
Local time: 20:44
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Michael Sarni: First book is a non-scholarly work on the 20 C German history. A single instance. Second book - a collective monograph by mostly German scholars. A single instance in a chapter by Prof. Klaus Militzer, Univ. of Bohum. English mother tongue?
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Grand Quartermaster (Ordenstrappier, Summus Trapearius) of the Teutonic Order


Explanation:
Grand Quartermaster is an established English form of the office on the order level in modern military orders (cf. https://movfw.org/di/vfw/v2/default.asp?pid=79381).


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Note added at 2 days 4 hrs (2021-12-19 17:04:06 GMT)
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Gamers use it (top structure lifted from the Teutonic order):

Grozgebieterei
Below the Hōchmeister and Grōzkomtur is a council called the Grōzgebieterei. This council is made up of five primary individuals and several secondary members. The primary members are as follows:
Grōzmarschal (Grand Marshal) - In charge of controlling the army.
Grōztrapier (Grand Quartermaster) - In charge of supplying the army...

(https://www.worldanvil.com/w/mortalis3A-mortal-age-sigiswulf...


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http://www.dcgckt.org/21GO1.pdf

Michael Sarni
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:44
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