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matériel/immatériel

23:29 Dec 8, 2022
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French to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Automotive / Cars & Trucks / Vehicle leasing contract
French term or phrase: matériel/immatériel
This concerns telematics boxes fitted to long-term fleet hire cars

La Prestation Télématique est constituée de deux éléments, l'un matériel, l'autre immatériel définis ci-après.

Paraphrasing the two "éléments" (I have used "components") that follow, these are:

(1) The supply, fitting and commissioning of telematics boxes
(2) Collecting and analysing the data provided by the boxes and providing it to the hirer

Pleeez, will some over-zealous bruiser kindly refrain from telling me these are two separate terms and should be in two separate questions...

Material/immaterial - sounds awful
Hardware/software - doesn't really cut it

Is there something better "out there"?
AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:28


Summary of answers provided
4 +4physical/intangible
Bourth
3 +2equipment/service
Marco Solinas
4tangible hardware system (the equipment) / intangible software system
Johannes Gleim
4tangible vs intangible (components of a contractual obligation)
Daryo


Discussion entries: 10





  

Answers


38 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
physical/intangible


Explanation:
"Rather than PHYSICAL ASSETS, the value of digital companies is predominantly derived from INTANGIBLE ASSETS, such as data, intellectual property (IP), software, employee talent and knowledge, and the reputation of the companies themselves."
https://www.mapfre.com/en/insights/commitment/intangible-imp...

Or, I suppose, tangible/intangible, but I'm the sort of underzealous bruiser who likes things physical.

Bourth
France
Local time: 16:28
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Adrian MM.: physical vs. non-physical https://iate.europa.eu/search/result/1670544959756/1
9 mins
  -> It would do, but I'm not generally a fan of EU terminology in English.
agree  philgoddard: Tangible and intangible are fine too.
1 hr
agree  Tony M
7 hrs
neutral  Johannes Gleim: « matériel » et « immatériel » sont employés comme adjectifs et non comme noms, bien qu'ils désignent des objets matériels et immatériels.
11 hrs
  -> ??? Are not 'physical' and 'intangible' adjectives?
agree  Kim Metzger
12 hrs
neutral  James A. Walsh: Your ref cites "intangible assets" - a somewhat broader concept than what we're dealing with here (in-vehicle systems), so I'd say something more limited like hardware/software would be more likely.
21 hrs
  -> It's an example of physical (whatever) vs intangible (whatever). You can replace 'whatever' by Asker's 'components'.
agree  Schtroumpf: And how about physical vs. digital?
4 days
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
equipment/service


Explanation:
Or "processing" instead of "service".

Marco Solinas
Local time: 07:28
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 27

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  FPC
6 hrs
agree  James A. Walsh: Actually "éléments immatériels" could easily be "services", when I think about it
21 hrs
neutral  Daryo: yes, in practical terms it amount to that in this specific contract, but the terms used in the ST are far more general in scope.
8 days
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
tangible hardware system (the equipment) / intangible software system


Explanation:
intangible adj (usage fréquent) Les services sont des biens immatériels. Services are intangible goods.
immaterial adj

La demande d'accès exige que soit identifié le fournisseur de la ressource biologique ou génétique ou de l'élément immatériel (art. 26 b).
cmsdata.iucn.org
As part of the application, an identification of the provider of the biological or genetic resources and intangible component is required (art. 26 b).
data.iucn.org
https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/immatérie...

matériel nom, masculin (pluriel: matériels m)
Le contrôle du matériel sera effectué par des experts. Evaluation of the material will be carried out by experts.
equipment n Le laboratoire a le matériel médical nécessaire pour les tests. The laboratory has the medical equipment needed for the tests.

distributeur de matériel de télécommunications et de matériel.
bellaliant.ca
a distributor of telecom and industrial equipment.
bellaliant.ca
https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/search?source=auto&q...

Le Nigéria a signalé avoir acquis et installé du matériel d'analyse.
Nigeria reported that analytical equipment had been procured and installed.
https://context.reverso.net/übersetzung/franzosisch-englisch...

An invisible and intangible software system is responsible for the first and third tasks, and the second is handed over to the consumer.
https://inf.news/en/tech/4416a5e07b284e7f9b6e0a542dfe5193.ht...

The desktops appear to be that tangible hardware system that gives you the realistic feel when you work on the PC
https://www.amazon.in/ZOTAC-GeForce-Graphics-Black-Orange/dp...

Hence I propose:

The Telematic Service comprises two items, the tangible hardware system (the equipment) and the other intangible software system, defined below.


Johannes Gleim
Local time: 16:28
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 22

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Mpoma: I initially thought of this, hardware/software (or "data-processing"). But you only worked this out by looking at what follows: it's not intrinsic to the phrase itself.
23 mins
  -> Exactement ! Le contexte ultérieur doit être pris en compte lors de la traduction, tout comme le contexte précédent.
neutral  philgoddard: Hardware and software are valid answers, but 'tangible hardware' and 'intangible software' are tautologies.
1 hr
  -> Les « éléments » font partie du terme, et correspondent au matériel et au logiciel, et ont donc été traduits avec.
neutral  James A. Walsh: I second Phil's comment about tautologies. And most of your references are from unreliable sources or refer to abstract concepts that have nothing to do with this question. // Whatever!
10 hrs
  -> Si vous affirmez que les données ne sont pas fiables, vous devez le prouver. En tant qu'ingénieur, je suis bien placé pour juger de la fiabilité des déclarations techniques.
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8 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
matériel vs immatériel (éléments d'une prestation)
tangible vs intangible (components of a contractual obligation)


Explanation:
these two come as a pair of opposites, and should be treared as a pair.

in this contract, in practical terms it's

hardware vs data(software) or you could equally see it as

goods vs services (to be delivered)

BOTH 'éléments matériel' and 'élémentsvs immatériel' (de la prestation) are the most general terms, so for coherence, I would stick to the most general legal terms.





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Note added at 23 days (2023-01-01 10:54:17 GMT)
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... 'éléments matériel' and 'éléments immatériel' (de la prestation)

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:28
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 20
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