le préjudice doit être certain dans son principe

11:03 Oct 14, 2023
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French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s)
French term or phrase: le préjudice doit être certain dans son principe
Case based on a clause in a contract which the plaintiff says should have given him an "earn-out".

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Des dommages-intérêts ne peuvent être alloués que si le juge, au moment où il statue, constate qu'il est résulté un préjudice de la faute contractuelle (Cass. 3e civ., ...).
Le préjudice doit être certain dans son principe et dans son montant (Cass. com., ...).

En l'espèce, l'article 3.3 du protocole d'accord du 12 mai 2021 conclu avec la société AAA stipule que « Monsieur BBB accorde à la Société, rétroactivement à compter de son immatriculation, une licence, non exclusive d'utilisation et d'exploitation, à titre gratuit du site internet dont l'adresse est : ....com.
...
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I've looked at the definition of "principe" in TLFi, etc. I don't think this means "in principle". From the context it might mean something more like "intrinsically" or even "as a matter of fact".
Mpoma
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:27


Summary of answers provided
4 +1The loss must be properly founded/ substantiated
Andrew Bramhall
4the loss needs (to) be ascertained and liquidated in substantia
Adrian MM.
1[...] must be certain in terms of (being based on) principle [and in amount]
Andrzej Ziomek


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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
the loss needs (to) be ascertained and liquidated in substantia


Explanation:
préjudice : (head of ) loss, rather than damage.

principe: general rule (Bridge) is n/a here.

The technique of in substantia, rather than in substantive terms or its substance, to avoid a 'substance abuse' and for ProZ fans of Latin.

Example sentence(s):
  • IATE: fr dépense admise dans son en expenditure approved in principle
  • Le préjudice doit être certain ; plus encore, le préjudice doit être actuel, certain et direct, selon une *trilogie élaborée* et surtout retenue en jurisprudence.

    Reference: http://eng.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/law-general/2923...
    Reference: http://oboloo.com/blog/what-is-liquidated-and-ascertained-da...
Adrian MM.
Austria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 86

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Emmanuella: Certain, not ascertained, see definition in DB
2 days 2 hrs

neutral  AllegroTrans: Certain, not ascertained
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
[...] must be certain in terms of (being based on) principle [and in amount]


Explanation:
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Note added at 4 hrs (2023-10-14 15:12:23 GMT)
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https://www.balfour-manson.co.uk/media/e31j3nwf/differences-...

As a legal system, Scots Law prides itself on being based on principle

Andrzej Ziomek
Poland
Local time: 17:27
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllegroTrans: "based on principle" sounds too woolly to me
1 hr

neutral  Daryo: this text is not about THAT kind of "principles"
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4 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
The loss must be properly founded/ substantiated


Explanation:
in straightforward, idiomatic English;

Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:27
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans
3 hrs
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