Grautmål

English translation: mouth full of mush

14:15 Feb 25, 2023
Norwegian to English translations [Non-PRO]
Linguistics
Norwegian term or phrase: Grautmål
Hi,

How would you translate "grautmål" when describing nynorsk into english or french ?
I am also looking for equivalents to "å snakke bredt / hardt" when talking about people from Oslo in the first case and german speakers in the second.

Thank you !
rgiquel
France
English translation:mouth full of mush
Explanation:
In American English, (hottytoddy.com) have heard remarks like" sounds like talking with a mouth full of mush.

Maybe it is because it is so cold, seriously in North Dakota people do throat singing, and in mountains of Idaho, you soon learn not to open your mouth and crack your teeth by getting them too cold, I have. Understand why in Finnish Olka Hovve, good morning, is prounounced almost with out opening your mouth. (Seriously, so othe Scandamavian languages may do the same.

""My ex-coworker talked really fast and didn't really open his mouth. What a pain."" from Reddit.




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links https://www.hottytoddy.com/2016/05/31/114-southern-similes-m...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/z74nlf/nonnative_f...
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Summary of answers provided
3raspy 'gruel' vernacular
Adrian MM.
2 +1mouth full of mush
Tomasso
Summary of reference entries provided
ordbok, place to look?
Tomasso

  

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grautmål
raspy 'gruel' vernacular


Explanation:
To start the ball rolling, albeit into a linguistic minefield..

FRE p.e.: intonation norvégienne de timbre rauque (?)

graut / grøt in Bm. = bokmål (book-variety Norwegian -> I have been warned, for half a century, about, off and against using the term of 'Standard Norwegian'.) and means porridge - alas, in British English, doubles as doing prison time.

3. Intro to norsk-engelsk ordbok /Norwegian /English dictionary by Einar Haugen: including a photocopy of nynorsk forms (sent to me by a Norwegian friend) but no clues as to pronunciation. .,1 standards of pornunication. 'there is no offical or private organisation that attempts to dictate standards of pronunciation in Norway'.

PS there are supposed to be two offical languages in Norway, but a Norwegian oil and shipping engineer at our London translation office doubling as an English business language school had been adamant that there 'as many as 7 different languages, rather than dialects in Norway'.

Norwegain colleagues can comment on the 'spoken form of New Norwegian' - as in the second example sentence.

Having been to Henrik Ibsen country of Grimstad / Skien, I formed the impression that Bm is spoken, but that both Bm and NN are acceptable written varieties.

PS å snakke bredt / hardt _ to talk with a broad accent vs. with a hard German accent, but merits a separate question. FRE: parler avec un accent norvégien prononcé / avec un accent allemand fort prononcé (farouchement 'boche' !).

Example sentence(s):
  • Grøt | a nation built on porridge | Norway. Some claim that porridge is the oldest hot dish in the Norwegian diet.
  • Nynorsk is first and foremost a written language form but it does appear as a *spoken language*. Spoken Nynorsk is often referred to as normed Nynorsk speech.Bokmål speech in Eastern Norway often conforms to Urban East Norwegian,

    Reference: http://www.reddit.com/r/Norway/comments/wbhhku/how_would_a_n...
    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nynorsk
Adrian MM.
Austria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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2 days 8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +1
mouth full of mush


Explanation:
In American English, (hottytoddy.com) have heard remarks like" sounds like talking with a mouth full of mush.

Maybe it is because it is so cold, seriously in North Dakota people do throat singing, and in mountains of Idaho, you soon learn not to open your mouth and crack your teeth by getting them too cold, I have. Understand why in Finnish Olka Hovve, good morning, is prounounced almost with out opening your mouth. (Seriously, so othe Scandamavian languages may do the same.

""My ex-coworker talked really fast and didn't really open his mouth. What a pain."" from Reddit.




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Note added at 2 days 8 hrs (2023-02-27 22:17:01 GMT)
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links https://www.hottytoddy.com/2016/05/31/114-southern-similes-m...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/z74nlf/nonnative_f...


    https://www.hottytoddy.com/2016/05/31/114-southern-similes-metaphors-and-other-allusions-for-dramatic-effect/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/z74nlf/nonnative_finnish_speakers_how_would_you_describe/
Tomasso
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agree  Adrian MM.
2 days 20 hrs
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1 day 5 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: ordbok, place to look?

Reference information:
""grautmål
grautmål substantiv
BØYNINGet
ETYMOLOGI første ledd graut; se grøt; annet ledd mål
BETYDNING OG BRUK
1 MUNTLIG, NEDSETTENDE uforståelig (dialekt)tale ; inkonsekvent, stilløst blandingsspråk
SITAT
[noen] vil ha det til at nynorsk er et grautmål som ikke kan snakkes naturlig av folk med press i buksene og blomst i knapphullet (Moss Avis 15.01.1940/2)
2 MUNTLIG, NEDSETTENDE nynorsk (som skole- og administrasjonsspråk)
SITATER
da gårdskona ville vite om de skrev nynorsk eller bokmål der nede i Stavanger, så svarte ikke Terje «Herregud, takk og lov for at vi ikke skriver grautmål». Han sa: «Vi skriver nok bokmål, ja» (Tore Renberg Kompani Orheim LBK 2005)
betyr kommunesammenslåingen mellom Eide og Fræna at vi på Eide må påtvinges grautmålet nynorsk? (Romsdals Budstikke 27.07.2016/24)

core.ac.uki . Det er ikkje heilt vanleg kost her på instituttet, viser det seg.
Eg har lese gjennom titlane på alle hovudfagsoppgåvene utgjeve ved instituttet i løpet
av mi levetid, og eg fann heile to som var på grautmål. Ei i 1983 og ei i 1985.

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links https://naob.no/ordbok/grautmål
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/30831838.pdf

""He talks like he’s got a **mouthful of mush.***"" https://www.hottytoddy.com/2016/05/31/114-southern-similes-m...


    https://naob.no/ordbok/grautm%C3%A5l
    https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/30831838.pdf
Tomasso
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Adrian MM.: I'm unsure the asker can read Norwegian, but you ought to post 'mouthful of mush' as an answer. Seems to work well in French, too: https://dictionnaire.reverso.net/francais-synonymes/avoir de...
7 hrs
  -> tak, Kitos, would be American English, Here in Idaho many speak Finnish (Suomi) and Basque. to many Danish , etc seems hard to understand, sounds like German but the sounds seem run together, trying to watch Borgen on TV. Staatsminister Nyborg.
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